Matt Gaetz

And they're not really having a good time.

I can tell.

And when you run for president... Ted looks miserable.

When you run for president, there's an element of it where the people have to feel like they're a part of something fun.

And that's something Trump understood.

That's something Charlie Kirk understood.

And for Ron and Ted, it is – the campaign is sort of something they have to do in order to get the power that they seek.

I would vote for him again for governor.

Well, I think that, as we were discussing earlier, running for president is an itch that doesn't go away with one scratch.

I think that he believed he should have defeated Trump in the 2016 election, and he's toiling in the Senate until he gets a next bite at the apple.

I think on the other side, I would have believed—

before Kamala Harris that the Democrats had nominated their last straight white guy.

Yeah, I would think so too.

I mean, it is a movement that stands against straightness and white people.

Is Gavin straight?

He seems to be pretty enthusiastic heterosexual based on some of his personal conduct.

You never know.

Yeah, we're not the bedroom police.

But Newsom has at least demonstrated power.

And I think that is what Democrats have lacked in this time in the wilderness, in the Trump era, is that no one steps up and says, I'm ready to use power effectively.