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Matt Iglesias

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The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

I think, yes, clearly, like the politics have shifted in blue America, I think particularly around removals of people who've been arrested and that to the extent that Donald Trump wants to work with people and get back to an Obama-type policy agenda there. Like, I think he could get it done through a mix of political fear and sincere change of heart on the part of Democratic officials.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

I think, yes, clearly, like the politics have shifted in blue America, I think particularly around removals of people who've been arrested and that to the extent that Donald Trump wants to work with people and get back to an Obama-type policy agenda there. Like, I think he could get it done through a mix of political fear and sincere change of heart on the part of Democratic officials.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

Like, and Riley Act deals with a basically related set of considerations. I mean, the thing Republicans would put in an ad against you if you voted no on it is that this bill requires ICE to detain people, you know, who've been convicted of theft and some other list of crimes. Arrested for. Arrested, yes. So the objections to it relate to sort of due process.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

Like, and Riley Act deals with a basically related set of considerations. I mean, the thing Republicans would put in an ad against you if you voted no on it is that this bill requires ICE to detain people, you know, who've been convicted of theft and some other list of crimes. Arrested for. Arrested, yes. So the objections to it relate to sort of due process.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

I mean, people can be arrested for things they have not committed. But also it creates a lot of state causes of action where you can sue the federal government for having not done X, Y, or Z. It was pretty clearly written.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

I mean, people can be arrested for things they have not committed. But also it creates a lot of state causes of action where you can sue the federal government for having not done X, Y, or Z. It was pretty clearly written.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

When Joe Biden was president, like to get Democrats to vote no, right, by saying like this is unworkable, it's going to hamstring the executive and then Republicans could run against it. Democrats started saying, well, we'll vote to advance this, but like we're going to we're going to like fix that stuff in the amendment process.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

When Joe Biden was president, like to get Democrats to vote no, right, by saying like this is unworkable, it's going to hamstring the executive and then Republicans could run against it. Democrats started saying, well, we'll vote to advance this, but like we're going to we're going to like fix that stuff in the amendment process.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

Then because Republicans really like they wanted to get to know on that bill, so they wouldn't do any of the amendments. And then Democrats refused to take the no vote that Republicans wanted them to take. So now this like probably unworkable bill has passed. E-Verify and employer sanctions are a different kettle of fish because when Republicans were putting together, I think they called it H.R.1.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

Then because Republicans really like they wanted to get to know on that bill, so they wouldn't do any of the amendments. And then Democrats refused to take the no vote that Republicans wanted them to take. So now this like probably unworkable bill has passed. E-Verify and employer sanctions are a different kettle of fish because when Republicans were putting together, I think they called it H.R.1.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

It was like this big immigration package. H.R.2? H.R.2, yes, when Biden was president. And initially, mandatory e-verify was in that package because the point of the package was to be maximally hawkish. Again, they wanted to get to know with Biden so they could complain. But, like, that's a, you know, a sticky point for Republicans, and it raises the question, again,

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

It was like this big immigration package. H.R.2? H.R.2, yes, when Biden was president. And initially, mandatory e-verify was in that package because the point of the package was to be maximally hawkish. Again, they wanted to get to know with Biden so they could complain. But, like, that's a, you know, a sticky point for Republicans, and it raises the question, again,

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

of where does Trump want to go with this ultimately in terms of workplace raids, other things that are bothersome to the business community versus just kind of picking fights with progressive mayors and governors about local law enforcement cooperation.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

of where does Trump want to go with this ultimately in terms of workplace raids, other things that are bothersome to the business community versus just kind of picking fights with progressive mayors and governors about local law enforcement cooperation.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

I think that part of it, you saw this back during the they're eating the dogs, eating the cats controversy, which is that the sort of MAGA movement has tried to redefine people with things like temporary protected status or people with asylum applications, you know, in the process as illegal immigrants.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

I think that part of it, you saw this back during the they're eating the dogs, eating the cats controversy, which is that the sort of MAGA movement has tried to redefine people with things like temporary protected status or people with asylum applications, you know, in the process as illegal immigrants.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

when in a legal sense, it is not illegal to arrive without a visa and then benefit from a grant of TPS, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I think Vice President Vance, who's more cogent than President Trump, has explained that in his view, this is like a loophole. This is like lawyer BS. And so I think part of the intention of this expansive order is just to sweep all those people in.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

when in a legal sense, it is not illegal to arrive without a visa and then benefit from a grant of TPS, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I think Vice President Vance, who's more cogent than President Trump, has explained that in his view, this is like a loophole. This is like lawyer BS. And so I think part of the intention of this expansive order is just to sweep all those people in.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

The fact that it also applies to people with totally normal, uncontroversial visas, like Trump was out saying that he loves the H-1B visa program, that he employs lots of people with H-1B visas. He clearly doesn't. And I think he's referring to a different H-2B. But, you know, there's never been a question that, like, you are allowed to come to the United States on a J-1 visa.

The Ezra Klein Show
Let’s Get to the Marrow of What Trump Just Did

The fact that it also applies to people with totally normal, uncontroversial visas, like Trump was out saying that he loves the H-1B visa program, that he employs lots of people with H-1B visas. He clearly doesn't. And I think he's referring to a different H-2B. But, you know, there's never been a question that, like, you are allowed to come to the United States on a J-1 visa.