Matt Iglesias

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You're allowed to come on a student visa, right? And then, yeah, like people get into relationships, particularly people with employment-based visas, are often here for many, many years before they get a green card. And there's never been a political controversy about that that I'm familiar with.
And it's quite—I mean, they really don't like immigrants, at least some of the people behind this policy, in a more extreme way than the president's official position. And I think they're signifying that. And, you know, people should— rightly read into that something, I think, a little bit menacing about the ultimate intention.
I think that Trump has basically won this argument. You know, that he has gotten—I shouldn't actually say Trump, because in a lot of ways, Greg Abbott was more like the key figure here— But like got Democrats to admit that like they in fact think it is undesirable to have sort of unlimited quantities of people arriving in their jurisdictions in an irregular manner.
And, you know, to an extent, I think that was always reflected in some of Biden administration policy. But it only very much at the end became what they would say they were trying to do. The interesting question for Trump, I mean, and I think people who win elections face this divide all the time, is like, do you want to make the most durable policy change that you can?
Or do you want to kind of have fights about things? Because I think clearly if the president of the United States— really, really, really wants to shine a spotlight on birth tourism and say, like, we need a bipartisan legislative solution to create some kind of denaturalization process for egregious abuses of this, whatever it is. I think it's like tough.
for like swing state Democrats, for anybody, for me, for you, for anybody to say like, no, birth charism is amazing. Like we want to encourage this, right? The more things you stack onto the pile, the easier it is for everybody to say no, right? That like we're going to basic 14th Amendment principles.
We're talking about people on completely normal work visas have all sort of been lumped into this. It's really easy for Democrats to reject this order the way it's been written because it's so, so, so broad. But that also means that Republicans can have a fight about the order, right? They can pick the strong cases. Democrats can pick the weak cases. Nothing will get done.
I think they'll just lose in court. I mean, the constitutional argument they're going with here is risible, in my opinion.
This is just a topic that has been litigated, like, a lot over the years.
I know, but, like, I mean, Dara will correct me if I'm wrong. But, I mean, I think, like— Just like very literally, this question of what does it mean to be subject to the laws thereof has been litigated. This is not like a new version of an old question. It's like they want to arrest illegal immigrants, right?
That's like a big point of emphasis here, which is to say they are subject to the jurisdiction. of the American government. There's no argument that illegal immigrants have diplomatic immunity or something like that, or that, you know, they're sovereign tribal nations.
That's what they're trying to play? Well, the invasion thing is, I think, a separate but fascinating legal argument.
Well, they are clearly hoping that increased domestic energy production will have benefits for cost of living. I mean, that's the part that you can connect the dots on. I mean, I think experts have some skepticism about that. On the groceries, you know, there's really not a lot going on here. In the orders, it's like literally nothing.
I could have suggested some things for them if they wanted to. So like the Biden administration, for example, like raised wage floor standards for agricultural guest worker visas. It was like the only restrictionist thing that they really did. You could put that back down, make things cheaper.
Yes.
Elon Musk was very angry about it.
This is a tough one, right? I mean, I think if you talk to people in the oil and gas industry, the thing that they were really mad at the Biden administration about was pausing the construction of new liquefied natural gas terminals. The Trump administration has done what the industry wanted there. I think he's correct, too, frankly. And this will increase American natural gas production.
But the reason it will increase American natural gas production is we will be able to export more gas, which, as the Biden people like to point out, will raise the price of domestic electricity, not lower it. The thing that the oil and gas industry wants is more demand for their products. That's what these LNG export terminals are going to create.
And that's what the federal government foaming the runway for permitting of big data center projects is. is going to ensure that there's a lot of demand for natural gas. But is it going to make it cheaper for you at home? Like, probably it might make it more expensive. It's just ambiguous in terms of its basic upshot.
Similarly, he's going to rescind some of these electric car type regulations that Biden issued. But I think people will continue to buy more electric cars than they did in the past, one way or another. Again, Elon Musk continues to be out there making his Teslas. So the long-term outlook for oil production— But it's going to get more people buying electric cars.
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