Matt Jones

You haven't really seen that.

So you, yourself, I want to give my listeners who might not be familiar with you an example of a story you wrote recently that is what led me to write you, which was you were writing about what happened in Minnesota, the Renee Good.

And it was interesting the way you wrote

about sort of how we got to that situation and all the various ways, which is what I really liked about it.

You weren't saying this is right, this is wrong.

You were sort of talking about all the forces that led to that moment.

Can you give people an example kind of what you were talking about?

I think that's a really fascinating view.

And I actually...

I think I sort of agree with it.

Kind of, if we could, let's go through some of those.

I mean, to me at the start is this notion of how we got here is the way politicians and the media have treated immigration as an issue to begin with.

This notion of an invasion of these immigrants.

And then for the other for the folks in Minnesota, this notion of an invasion by ICE to our state and that the two of them, both sides sort of treating it with this invasion language almost sets up a conflict that is inevitable.

Is that kind of the way you look at it?

You said, let me, I'm going to read from your Twitter.

You said, so they show the people and it's called worst of the worst and they almost make it look like a cartoon, right?

Or The Apprentice, right?

Where he comes from.

I mean, it is sort of like, I feel like a lot of times these videos look like reality.