Matt Jones

You think about the whole cancel culture thing that we certainly went through for a while and that still occasionally lingers now.

I always say that a silence somewhat something fills the void on those things.

So there was net.

Are you saying on his particular case, there were never any names put forth in terms of who had been the accuser?

What was interesting in your article is how much it went from comment section to real world.

I mean, I remember vaguely reading the story that he was a harasser.

But then reading nothing else about it, not thinking anything else about it until you saw that.

And so if I saw him on the street, I wouldn't have known.

But then again, that's not my world.

But in his world, he was basically blackballed is what you're saying.

And so what is the way, now that we've had the sort of benefit of hindsight of the four or five years since sort of the peak of that, what is the lesson for all of these things for culture?

Like, how do you balance the need for people to feel the ability to come forward with claims or with their stories versus the need for, for lack of a better term, right of a fair trial in the public?

I could see how someone would hear that and go, that's a very cynical viewpoint.

Although, if you read your article, you could understand, especially in the context of his story, why one would have that.

But still, there are certainly occasions where such allegations are correct.

And if I am Joe or Sarah the consumer, how do I tell one from the other?

I mean, I guess that's the question, because like you, I'm sure you're right that that did happen.

But then there are other times that the harassment did happen.

So how how is the world supposed to figure out what you do?

How do you decide who is P. Diddy and who is this guy who did 13 Reasons Why?