Matt Kahn
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135 appearances
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first heard Jun 2025
last heard Jun 2025
Matt Kahn’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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And we tend to spend more time in the theater than in the screen. And it's wonderful to have an awareness, but in our work, what we actually find is people get stuck in awareness. So when we're working with acceptance, it's I accept what needs to change in my life. I accept what needs to change that I'm scared to change in my life.
And then we say, well, if I know what needs to change, but I don't know how to do it, Well, that's when we call on the divine within us and beyond us and say, Can you help me? And you give permission for that force that is you and beyond you to work through you. And that's when all of a sudden We're not performing for a deity. We're not performing for our parents in the sky, for Santa Claus.
We're not trying to earn brownie points.
I mean, I'm a lifelong people pleaser. So for me to say all this is quite an accomplishment. I mean, I don't mean to brag, but I was really good at it. And it was hard because I was an empath, so I confused other people's emotions with what I was feeling. And then when I woke up, I had a really, really... Big misunderstanding.
And that was, I could see the divine and feel the divine in every person. So if I didn't treat them as the divine, I thought I was falling for a trick. And so I had to honor people as the divine, even if the divine was saying, Matt, I'm dressed up as this person, meet me as I am.
I'm giving you a chance to learn how to communicate, Matt. I'm being low down, lying, conniving, because I need you to treat me as I am. If I'm really the divine, Matt, I can handle it. And I didn't get that. And so I had this interesting spiritual ego, which was very gentle.
Very sneaky. It was very sneaky. And I thought it was my job to see the divine in every person. And then it became a spiritual practice to let people take advantage of me.
And I had to wake up out of that.
You know, what strikes me when you say that, and I love how you just put that, is that A lot of spiritual experiences happen in a vacuum, in an echo chamber, much like if people take a karate class. It happens in a dojo. We're all practicing, and everything is very, you hold this position, I do this. And we all walk away going, I think I know what to do.
And then if there's a fight, God forbid, it's very fast. It's very ugly. And it's not the same way. So when you come out of a spiritual event, you go, I think I know how this works. And then you go hang out with your family. And you go, wow, that's not really how it goes down.
What I think is really interesting, and I love what you said about if we allow ourselves to feel our feelings as entry point into love, is that in the echo chamber, in this vacuum of spiritual healing or anything, our experiences tend to be about these tools applied to the experiences. we are the most likely to avoid.
And then so we're always on the lookout for something to heal, and we don't actually develop a relationship with joy or happiness because we're so afraid of bypassing the trauma. And yet, if we develop a relationship and flex our muscles to learn how to also be in relationship with the other side of the emotional scale, the traumas stop echoing and stop repeating.
And so the irony is when we're always on the lookout for something to heal, we're actually bypassing the opportunity to get to know the other side of our experiences. And, you know, when we're talking about resistance, just as we always love helping people experience, like what if resistance is arising? To develop a relationship with you. Like I have a relationship with myself.
I have a relationship with resistance. I have a relationship with anger. Most people would never know when I'm having the experiences I'm having because my relationship is incredibly developed. And when I think the fantasy is no longer trying to feel one way versus another, and we can look at it like a family, that our family functions the best in a functioning relationship,
this is why the things in life arise, right? It's not I'm failing my spiritual test, my vibration wasn't high enough.
Back on the sky, daddy, sky, mommy, and back into the scorekeeper, which is another term we give for the ego, is that it's not like you ever get beyond resistance. It's that there's no longer a scorekeeper giving it validity. It's, oh, this is arising for me to have a relationship with it.
It's welcomed here. There's always room at the table, even if I sense it as an uninvited guest.
So it's like someone who climbs to the top of a mountain and says to the God, I'm ready to trust you fully. And they jump off the mountain and they fall. And then they float to heaven. And the divine says, do you have any questions? And the person says, yeah, I said, I trusted you and you were supposed to catch me. And the divine says, I did catch you, but I was dressed up as the ground.
So trust is not the fantasy of trust. If I do this impulsive thing and empty my bank account and call it a business move and magically it's all going to work out. No. That's what we hope. That's a hope, an aspiration. Wouldn't it be cool if that happened? But trust is that I'm always going to become the next version of who I'm meant to become by taking this step.
And that when we trust the resilience of the moment that I will pick myself up and dust myself off and move forward, or that I will recover, I will learn, and I will be better some way, somehow. When we trust the resilience and not as a way of hedging our bets on an outcome, I think that's when spirituality and consciousness and healing gets incredibly mature.
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