Matt Kaplan

But you know what?

I think you're absolutely right.

And I think it's really important to point out that the issue with science, we should be having debate.

It is incredibly important for science to challenge.

new ideas.

It is incredibly important for there to be debate.

It is incredibly important for us to remain skeptical.

mRNA was an out there idea when Kati Kariko was developing it.

The notion that there might be an aura of death around your hands after touching a corpse was an out there idea back in the day.

And it was important for people to say, are you sure about that?

Can we test this?

Those are important responses to have.

What's not okay is to engage in character assassination and to imprison people or exile them because you don't like what you're hearing.

That's not what science is about.

And let's be honest, science has got a man on the moon.

Science has been able to resolve, I mean, transform HIV into a manageable condition from a death sentence

I mean, science is doing extraordinary.

I mean, look at the number of people living in deserts because of desalinization plants, which are now all threatened by missiles.

But never mind.

The technology and the science has got us so far.