Matt Kielty

I think, okay, the most honest answer is sometimes probably like more than I like to an embarrassing degree.

I feel bad about myself.

And I am a creative person in a profession where there's lots of ways that you can, if you're so inclined, you can find to feel bad about yourselves.

There's always a list you're not on, always a sales number you didn't reach, always a pitch that didn't get accepted.

And Matt is here acting like you're an alien from another planet or something.

Yeah, totally.

A few days ago, Heather asked me if I was proud that she jumped in Lake Michigan when it was cold.

And he was like, nope, not proud, not interested.

Wait, Matt, but you don't... Do you feel immune to all of these problems?

I maybe like to kind of sit in my self-loathing a little bit more.

I've been a party to that in the past one time or another.

Yeah, I've witnessed that.

I think it's like the seeking out of a sort of affirmation and compliment feels like a means to maybe feeling good.

And I don't necessarily believe in...

The kind of project of the sort of goal of trying to feel good.

But I mean, I don't think it's like that weird that I want to feel better about myself.

No.

Like, I think the question of like, how might I feel better about myself is pretty normal, like kind of about as normal as it could be.

like their whole industry is based on this question yeah it's like everywhere like you see it everywhere like it's on reality tv it's on instagram you know it's like everything about instagram is like how instagram is giving us low self-esteem like wait but like what are why are what is this this just matt heather therapy hour what is there a story here what's going on it's a little bit of that throughout

No, no, no, no.