Matt Kielty
๐ค SpeakerAppearances Over Time
Podcast Appearances
You know what I actually hear you saying?
John goes through this complete transformation through therapy, through Esalen, through reading books about psychology.
And is he still an elected official?
He used to say I was the most therapized politician to ever live.
You know, he probably was the most therapized politician ever.
And Mitch said it was actually back in 1978.
when he first encountered John at a conference in Santa Barbara.
This disheveled keynote speaker who got up to speak.
In his speeches, John would talk about growing up Catholic.
Very steeped in the traditional I'm a sinner Catholic tradition and was raised or lowered, really more lowered than raised.