Matt Livers

Finally, when I said Nick's name, then that's when they seemed they were happy and believed me. So you just pulled it out of your hat, like a bunch of names, and his was the only one that stuck, as it were. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Why would you have mentioned him in particular?

You know, I've been asked this question before, and the only answer I could give you is because I think it was I talked to him on the cell phone a few days before, and his name was just fresh in my memory. You know, I'm terribly sorry for him. I hated it for him, but when I said his name, that's who it stuck, and they...

You know, I've been asked this question before, and the only answer I could give you is because I think it was I talked to him on the cell phone a few days before, and his name was just fresh in my memory. You know, I'm terribly sorry for him. I hated it for him, but when I said his name, that's who it stuck, and they...

You know, I've been asked this question before, and the only answer I could give you is because I think it was I talked to him on the cell phone a few days before, and his name was just fresh in my memory. You know, I'm terribly sorry for him. I hated it for him, but when I said his name, that's who it stuck, and they...

Ran with it more or less, yeah.

Ran with it more or less, yeah.

Ran with it more or less, yeah.

That must be a good feeling. No, it wasn't. It's a good feeling to know your client's innocent. It's a bad feeling to know that your client's still in jail. You can't get him out. The cops are coming up with every other kind of theory they can think of to drag him in.

That must be a good feeling. No, it wasn't. It's a good feeling to know your client's innocent. It's a bad feeling to know that your client's still in jail. You can't get him out. The cops are coming up with every other kind of theory they can think of to drag him in.

That must be a good feeling. No, it wasn't. It's a good feeling to know your client's innocent. It's a bad feeling to know that your client's still in jail. You can't get him out. The cops are coming up with every other kind of theory they can think of to drag him in.

And then when we get the Reed and Fester interviews, we see how they're bending over backwards to basically show him a picture of my client and say, isn't that the guy that you met?

And then when we get the Reed and Fester interviews, we see how they're bending over backwards to basically show him a picture of my client and say, isn't that the guy that you met?

And then when we get the Reed and Fester interviews, we see how they're bending over backwards to basically show him a picture of my client and say, isn't that the guy that you met?

Nick was in really, really bad shape. And so at that point, I'm holding him together. It's going to work out. It's going to work out.

Nick was in really, really bad shape. And so at that point, I'm holding him together. It's going to work out. It's going to work out.

Nick was in really, really bad shape. And so at that point, I'm holding him together. It's going to work out. It's going to work out.

I'd been a nice guy up to that point. Trying to encourage the county attorney to dismiss the charges is the right thing to do. At that point, then, I had to shift to be much more aggressive, saying, you know, coming at him and here's all the stuff. And I'd prepared a kind of an extensive motion outlining all of the information pointing to Reed and Fessler's acting alone.

I'd been a nice guy up to that point. Trying to encourage the county attorney to dismiss the charges is the right thing to do. At that point, then, I had to shift to be much more aggressive, saying, you know, coming at him and here's all the stuff. And I'd prepared a kind of an extensive motion outlining all of the information pointing to Reed and Fessler's acting alone.

I'd been a nice guy up to that point. Trying to encourage the county attorney to dismiss the charges is the right thing to do. At that point, then, I had to shift to be much more aggressive, saying, you know, coming at him and here's all the stuff. And I'd prepared a kind of an extensive motion outlining all of the information pointing to Reed and Fessler's acting alone.

There was every indication in there that there was a problem. When people confess accurately... I mean, the resistance you have from somebody who is innocent, the resistance you have from somebody who is guilty, from an interrogator standpoint, looks the same. But at the point at which they finally get over that moral hump and say, you know, you're right, I really did do this.