Matt Mahan

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we should be for putting our values, our progressive values into practice and proving that they work when they come into contact with reality.

And if they don't, we need to at least look at the means and methods.

We need to at least say, well, yes, all these layers of 50 years of

of good intentions that have prevented us from building housing.

The values of protecting the environment, including the community and the decision, dealing with the impacts, they're all good values.

And maybe the values don't need to be totally thrown out.

But if in practice, they're leading us to not be able to build housing or to only be able to build a home at over a million dollars a door, something's wrong.

And we've got to go back and revise how we're approaching these things.

So I just, I think ultimately a politics of pragmatism has to prevail.

Are we ready for it?

I don't know, but Californians are pretty frustrated.

And everywhere I go across the state as part of this campaign, we're filling rooms with people who want to hear about a different approach.

They don't want to throw out our democratic values, but they're not happy with the outcomes we've been getting.

I think it's a fraught conversation in that I am hesitant to, with the limited information I have, say that I know with any certainty what someone else has done right or wrong.

I think there are certain things the governor's done that should be applauded.

He leaned in around interim housing, which is the solution in San Jose that's allowed us to reduce homelessness by a third.

I think he correctly diagnosed that we don't have enough places or mechanisms for getting people into treatment.

And that's what Care Court and Prop 1 were about, building treatment capacity and then having a mechanism through the courts, a mechanism that has checks and balances for getting people indoors and into treatment.

I think what's been missing, and there are other places where we've disagreed.