Matt Murphy

You want the bad guy on the stand.

And if every trial kind of has a moment, you know, where you can point to it and it's like a turning point.

That was the turning point of that trial and his his direct, by the way.

I mean, this is the thing about the fraudsters, Megan.

And I know you've probably encountered this before when you got a guy who makes his living by by fooling people.

Right.

They tend to be really good at that.

And all you need is one juror.

His mom is sitting right behind me in the front row in the gallery.

And the jury, we had to have her testify because we got to do it as a no body because of Summer Hansen.

And so there, you know, he's on the stand and he gave me that gem.

And you almost never know exactly what's going to happen when they hit the stand.

But that was that was when it's like, wait a minute, dude, you're you're crying.

You're trying to show emotion.

And you sent a year's worth of emails.

You broke up with his soon to be fiance by saying, I don't love you anymore.

Like one of the most ruthless, heartless, freaking psycho things I saw in 26 years.

And there he was on the stand.

No, thank you.

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