Matt Murphy

reaching in the toolbox of my truck and then into the pocket on the door.

I cut open my knuckle and there's a blood stain on the door, on the driver's side door.

Well, a pretty good way to explain that away.

And, you know, I can't rule out the fact that it's possible he could have cut it that way.

But it's also possible that Lacey may have scratched him as he was killing her.

And so, you know, those again, without a witness in a videotape or a confession, you're never really going to know on that.

Well, you know, and that's all for the jury.

You know, the jury listens to that and they draw their own conclusions on that.

But just the fact that he's volunteering it, talking about it, it's almost like it's a guilty conscious coming out.

And he wants to make sure he gets in front of that with this story.

No, because it was a pickup.

The flatbed was the trailer.

But I know we did an experiment and it was submitted to the court where we had a eight month pregnant clerk in the investigation division at Stanislaus County District Attorney's Office.

And we took an overhead photo of her.

inside the boat between the seats now the seats go across the width of the boat and she easily fit in between those two seats and she was consistent in size with Lacey so that was one of the things that we did to show that that was possible that she could have easily been hidden in the boat but I don't even remember if we were able to get that in at trial or not because it's been too long ago but I

You know, I like Judge DeLuge.

I thought he was pretty, pretty right down the middle.

He gave some good favorable decisions to the defense and then maybe some that they didn't like.

But that's true in every trial, as you know, you know, you get them, you get ones that you like and you get ones that you don't.

You're just hoping that the judge is doing it right.