Matt Rogers

Or there's some layer of remove there where you're like, oh, she's ruminating on parenthood in this very deep, vulnerable way in her music.

I can also be irreverent in the way that she's irreverent.

I feel like Sex is Gentle, title track.

Definitely.

It's just... It's an id.

It's an id.

It's so funny.

It's like you even have this moment where it's like your doctor confuses Adam Driver for Adam...

It's so, it's so, but that's like, that is.

It's a true story.

It's a true story.

I feel like, I feel like you, you haven't been this funny since Robin, since the first indie, since the first Konnichiwa Records album.

Or silly.

I think both.

It's silly, funny, kooky.

It's experience.

So then, I mean, this, I feel like, you know, you are such a part of Max's story.

And, like, I think that is, I don't know, I think that must be a really interesting thing to, like, just track mutually your pathways, like, in this business that has changed so much.

dominated all the charts for so long but it is actually really personal and yeah I got to I got to meet him once yeah how was that it was so interesting because it's like you're saying like I was expecting this like larger than life like very methodical precise person but he's lovely yeah but we we went to go see Spamalot with Ari yeah and he's just like

easygoing, wonderful, nice, kind, like chill person.