Matt Rogers

That was supposed to be like...

That was supposed to break away from Crash, where she was, like, you know, fulfilling the contract for the label, doing, like, what a pop, traditional pop star album would look like.

But I feel like you've kind of blueprinted out this thing for a lot of people, which is, like, you can do it on your own terms.

And I feel like I hope you get that sense now as we're, like, all coming together once again to, like, celebrate Robin.

Oh, yeah.

He gave Ari that direction.

Yes.

Like the way Max wants her to.

Yeah, more executive, I guess.

Yeah.

But I feel like you, I feel like your voice is so precise.

That's what I've always loved about the quality and the timbre is that it's clean isn't the right word.

It's just, it's just, it's perfectly matched with like a Swedish sensibility in a way of like making music, which is that it's like clean.

right on target.

And one of my favorite episodes of Song Exploder is your episode about Honey.

Yeah.

So good.

It's like the initial track of it was on the girls episode.

Yeah.

And then the evolution of it, just the way it becomes just this warm, expansive song is so beautiful.