Matt Rogers
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Appearances Over Time
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I didn't mean to cut in.
I think what nostalgia, what makes nostalgia lethal, as you're saying, is that it is treating the past as like aspirational.
And that's never what you want to be.
It's like, oh, we got to go back to this better time.
Yeah.
I'm sorry to make it about this.
It's like a fascist idea.
We got to go back to the way things were.
You know what I mean?
It's so true.
But you already know this deep down.
But the thing I want to dovetail into is like,
I think you maybe don't get enough credit for being, for inventing the notion of like an independent pop star.
I think like going and making your own label or just putting out your music like your own way.
Now it's like indie pop is such a thing, right?
But I feel like you don't get enough credit for that.
That you really modeled this thing.
Even for someone like Charlie who knows, oh, I'm going to do one for me, one for them.
And the one for me thing is the thing that brought her most success, I would argue, with Brad.
Totally.