Matt Rogers

It's silly, funny, kooky.

It's experience.

So then, I mean, this, I feel like, you know, you are such a part of Max's story.

And, like, I think that is, I don't know, I think that must be a really interesting thing to, like, just track mutually your pathways, like, in this business that has changed so much.

dominated all the charts for so long but it is actually really personal and yeah I got to I got to meet him once yeah how was that it was so interesting because it's like you're saying like I was expecting this like larger than life like very methodical precise person but he's lovely yeah but we we went to go see Spamalot with Ari yeah and he's just like

easygoing, wonderful, nice, kind, like chill person.

And I was like, this is, and I didn't say this to him, but I was just like, this is, it's like you said, it's like, it's not what his portrayal is as like this prolific songwriter and hit maker.

It's like, oh, he's, he's a, not to produce it, but he's a guy.

And in a great way, he's a guy.

Yeah.

I mean, the deeper meaning behind, the way he finds deeper meaning, like I feel like you have a sense of what your deeper meaning is.

You don't have to share it with us, but I feel like it's so interesting that you've in the past said things about like, oh, I wanted to...

to sort of have an inflection point after dancing on my own.

I didn't want to be known as like the heartbreak musician necessarily.

Yeah.

And you said recently, I think on Zayn, Lo, you were like, nostalgia is like a perilous thing.

Yeah.

Like a lethal thing.

But what I loved about the Brooklyn Paramount set list is,

set list was that like it just wove in like your full discography so beautifully and then you sang show me love for the first time in like what like 10 years great arrangement of it too so it's like I wonder like what your relationship is now to like the way you not nostalgia but the way you look back on your own work