Matt Skoglund

Yeah, absolutely.

No, very, very well said.

And so for me, it was, you know, I, I, I spent 10 years at this organization and just over time, um,

the nonprofit environmental policy work, it's, it's frustrating because you, you lack control.

And so like the example I always give, um, you know, there's been this push to restore Buffalo in central Montana in and around the Charles M. Russell national wildlife refuge and the Missouri breaks and blah, blah.

And the state did all this work to tee it up with a very, very, you know, start with a very small population.

And, um,

And I'd meet with a state agency scientist and a federal agency scientist, and I'd be like, you guys need to do this.

And they'd say, Matt, we couldn't agree more with you, but politically that's a non-starter.

And you go back to your office and you're like, what are we doing?

They have these public meetings, people write letters, they have this whole thing, and it's a dog and pony show.

Because it's a political decision that whoever the power that be is

Is at that time is not going to make.

And so I just, you feel like you're spinning your wheels.

Yeah.

And so I just started to get frustrated with that process.

And at the same time, I, you know, and I, and, you know, conservation groups are super important.

I respect the hell out of that work.

Um, I just, I just found it wasn't for me.

And I also found like big picture.