Matt Spiegel

Did you leave anything else for us to talk about, or is it all done?

There's so much for you guys to talk about.

That was something.

That really was.

It's funny, because we talked about it 24 hours ago in transition, and I was like, yeah, you know, it's going to be interesting for a lot of fans to wrap their heads around Michael Reinsdorf and maybe understand some stuff in a different way.

It's deeper, though, isn't it?

It starts at the top, man.

You hung out with that guy for 30 minutes, and you're like, okay, I get it.

I get why this is a mess.

Don't you think, I think Michael believes that he can clean it up.

He's got some earnestness and a little naivete.

I think it's loyalty.

Loyalty, loyalty, loyalty.

Well, he says full on that AK and Eversley did not have them.

Did you guys think there was an, like an optimism and an earnestness about Michael that there is not about Jerry?

A hundred percent.

Yeah.

And he believes that he can do good things.

Jerry knows that the business is cooked and he's kind of cooked with it.

He's done.