Matt Willis

It's the first meeting.

Clever fucker.

And also, I don't really, like, this is what I'm saying.

I've been four and a half years over.

I've never really talked about anything apart from now to you.

I'm not really a very person who talks.

He saw you and was like, I know what you need.

And then the moment I said, okay, as a people pleaser, he was like, by the way, you have to do this every week for a year.

And if you don't do it, then you have to, or don't come to me, you have to find somebody else to do it.

So I had to talk to somebody else in the meeting to get them to cover for me.

So I was like, oh my God, I've got to come every Tuesday to this thing.

And I was like, oh, this is awful.

And so just because I was a people player, I came and like,

And that was the best thing that ever happened to me.

It was genius.

Paul, his name is.

And I still see him every so often and I thank him, really from the bottom of my heart because I hated AA to begin with.

I thought it was all nonsense and I thought all the people there were weird.

And then after six months, I thought it was one of the best things I'd ever done.

Yeah.