Matt

15 when they came in and were just useless, yeah.

Yeah, they're not going to bounce.

They alluded in their kind of video and all the, you know, if anyone was actually listening to the corporate spiel that they were actually saying in the car launch and not just zoned out, they did mention, you know, we know it's not going to be easy and things like that.

So,

you know they're not expecting to go in and just be like absolutely amazing straight away like it they they kind of almost joked the fact that you know why why would you build your own engine and you know it's it's it puts you on the back foot they kind of alluded to that so they know it's going to be tough and and honda is the perfect example like you you said you know if you'd have said

When Honda were in the back of that McLaren and we were having GP2 engine and all that kind of stuff that you'd have said that within the hybrid era they would be winning the world championship with Red Bull.

You wouldn't have believed it because they were so far off.

It was so bad.

They were breaking down all the time.

And that's just, you know, it's teething issues and we'll find out how well Red Bull will do soon enough.

Maybe even the first test from what we can find out with it all being secret and all that.

Yeah, it's so hard to know at this stage.

Obviously, I'm not filled with confidence, hence my Max prediction, which I know has shocked so many people.

But my argument here is not that... I think it's quite obvious that I think Max is a great driver and one of the best we've ever seen.

It's nothing on him.

I'm not filled with confidence of a new regulation and the fact that Red Bull are building their own engine.

And particularly of the things that you're hearing about...

mercedes and potentially having this advantage you know you look at say mercedes do have this this trick and it is like that was that was reported to be red bull as well now is that now not the case it's now it's now heavily rumored that they're they don't have they know how to do it but they don't have it um we'll find out obviously it's all a load of rubbish all

Well, exactly.

So we don't know.