Matthew Cox

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Did they or did they take all?

Okay.

That is true.

Yeah.

The FBI has launched a manhunt here for a fugitive married couple.

Did I say that the other day? Yeah, I remember we talked about that.

2008.

Okay.

Mm-hmm.

Isn't it an abacus? What? Do you know what abacus is?

Abacus? Abacus. Oh, did I say it? I said it wrong last time, right? I don't know. Abacus? None of us knew what it was.

Then they're psycho anyway.

I'm not saying he's awesome. Come on.

That's silly.

Did you get it?

Oh.

Yeah.

Um.

Sorry.

What are the videos you mentioned that you had taken videos?

What do you mean make fast money?

The guy you're with now.

I don't know what a cannabis cup is now.

They win like a cup for the best.

So what happened to him? He got arrested?

But convenient.

Those are young people decisions.

that fuck that.

Yeah, it would be too much. I can't.

Yeah. Your story is wild.

Maybe.

Right.

And I think, you know, yeah, yeah. I think we bring back shame.

But...

Oh, absolutely.

Yeah.

I saw that. He said, I kept waiting. I kept waiting for it to happen.

I mean, you look like a good guy, you know? Okay, I guess. I'd rather kill somebody.

Do you think that she's like- Is she still married to her?

Oh, okay.

What are you doing? What are you doing?

I love it.

Stop. Stop it.

Yeah. Yeah.

Okay.

Of course they would.

2002.

I never made it to my heart how far I was to New York.

Okay.

Yes.

Yeah.

You understand?

Right.

Why?

Yeah.

And that was like... Do you already know like most of his contact? Like have you already kind of been around? Like you've seen, you know, like, okay, we go, we meet. He gets out. He does this. He does that. He comes back. Like you already... Do you know where, what his, do you know who his plug is?

So what was that? Just small? Was it like you made 50 bucks, 200 bucks? Is it like you're?

Yeah.

And I said, that's that's iPhone. Yeah. You know, that's like their model is they charge double what they have in it. So if an iPhone costs 500 bucks, they're charging a thousand.

It's a lot less work, too.

But it's but it's illegal as opposed at least the club money was legal. You know, it may be in a gray area at times, but it's at least legal.

Nobody arrests dancers and sends them to prison for just for dancing.

So but anyway, but I hear you. You're young. You don't know. You're not thinking that way. You're thinking I'm going to get away with it, even though the boyfriend just got arrested. Right. You definitely know this is a possibility. Right.

Well, I think growing up in that environment, you see people going to prison. Like for me growing up, we knew in my neighborhood, which is like an upper middle class neighborhood, we knew, I knew of one person who'd gone to prison. He went to prison for three years for laundering money for the mob. And he went to prison. They didn't lose their house. Literally, this was our next-door neighbor.

The husband goes to prison. The wife never moves from the house. The kids stay in school. Three years later, I think he got three years, but I think he only did maybe a year or change. He gets out. He moves back in. And then probably shortly after that, they sold the house and went somewhere else. But yeah, so that was it.

As opposed to guys that grow up in a lower middle-class neighborhood, people are there watching people go to prison all the time and get back out and start over. They're driving. Everybody you know that has money

And this isn't I know you haven't said this, but this is what I get from it just from interviewing people is that you talk to these guys and they're like, look, everybody I know that's making money is selling drugs or robbing drug dealers or robbing banks or doing. But like the only people that have money, right.

The people that I see that are struggling and driving piece of garbage vehicles are people with jobs. because they have lower middle-class jobs. So they're barely able to keep a house over there, I mean, a roof over their head and feed their kids. So they have a crappy car and it's like, this guy struggles all the time, but the dealer over here, he's got a brand new car, this person.

So I can see how it's kind of there.

For the most part, yeah.

There's always an exception to the rule, but for the most part, yeah.

How long did he did? Had he been sentenced yet or did you know?

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Right.

The club. Well, the manager.

How long? For how long?

And were you there?

Did they gently knock on the door and ask you to step outside?

Yeah, this is your future if you keep this up.

Well, I was going to say, can't that be personal use? But they already have you on tape.

They didn't need to catch you with anything.

What do you mean going on camera?

You're looking at 10 years. We're going to take your kids.

They're going to foster care.

When your name is going to keep coming up every time somebody gets into that room and they start cooperating, they're going to. Oh, yeah. Oh, and I know this chick. She used to be a dancer. She does this. She she's got the hookup. She's she dates this drug dealer and this one. So they hear that from three people. Then it's.

You went to the school to find her?

Oh, okay.

Yeah, for a little bit. For a little bit. At 19, a year seems like an eternity. Like that's way down the road. And I'll figure it out by that point. And I paid my lawyer enough. And plus, this guy's already said it's all his stuff. You're probably you might actually be good because.

I mean, the truth is, is a lot of times, even if they could have a lot of information, but they still probably don't want to go to trial if they know that somebody is going to get on the stand and say, that was all my stuff. Even if they have some stuff that points to you, you know, they're going to at least have there's a there's a much better chance you get found not guilty if you go to trial.

So it certainly weakened their case against you.

Had you considered maybe dating like an insurance salesman? I mean, why these guys? Why do you keep going for these guys?

Okay. So any of you are saying, sorry.

Six months. You said there was a six month span.

We don't need him. We don't need him backstage.

Did he get out of prison?

OK, you didn't you kind of skip through. I mean, did you say that that he got out and you didn't?

At some point, because I thought you were still writing him in jail.

Okay. But he didn't wear a wire and set you up. He just said, hey, this is what's going on over here. You need to check her out.

Right. Yeah. Just jealousy or anger or whatever.

Okay. So he had given you up. You got raided. You're in the police station. What did they grab? I mean, you cut the one dude loose. What did they have on you, though, at this point?

Had they made buys?

Right.

What is DIFUS? What is that?

They can't take custody away from somebody who doesn't have custody.

Yeah. They at least don't have to spend three months or six months in foster care while you're trying to give custody over and they're trying to get permission.

So you're under stress. You're fighting two cases. Do you continue to sell or you continue to sell or you went out and got a regular job?

Not even a little bit. Not even a little bit. There was a little.

Okay.

21?

The old what was it was was being sure to call it the the Irish police. Irish jewelry or something. He's got a name for an ankle monitor. The old Irish anklet or something like that.

Like, I got this. Right.

Yeah. Even now?

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It was funny is like after 12 years, they catch him now, like he'll probably get almost no time. You know, it's funny because you would think going on the run like, oh, that doesn't help you at all. Sometimes it does. Like if it's long enough, if it's long enough, they're like, this was 20 years ago. Like, you know, what's this charge?

You know, like at the time they might have given you 10 years, but now they're going to be like. Give this guy 18 months, you know, put him on what's going on. He's, you know, but anyway, so.

Right.

Do you ever see him around?

He like just bolted.

So you went to community college and then you moved on to four-year college. You got your degree in accounting.

How much time did you get?

So you're doing 18 months no matter what. No matter what.

Wow. Okay. That's an incentive to behave.

Right. I shouldn't have a problem.

Jesus.

Wait, what did they call him? Oh, my wife, because she was locked up too. They call him a stud.

What's an A.G. mean?

She called him a stud. She's like, she was a stud. I'm like, okay, I don't know what that means, but.

However, given... I think most women are two drinks away from a girl-on-girl adventure, for the most part. I could be wrong.

So you're in that environment.

What do you mean leave? Like escape?

That seems ill-advised.

Yeah.

What were you thinking was going to happen?

Is this like a raunchy strip club or like a nice, like a gentleman's club?

Right. How many people am I breaking out of prison?

Because I thought nobody would be this dumb.

What is the fiance saying at all?

And if it was a minimum security, there was no fence. Like, right. More like absconding.

How'd you do that?

I'm assuming you're not bartending.

Oh, you were though. So the bar, Oh, I thought they were like trying to get you in there and then, Oh, no, that's later. No bartending jobs, but you could waitress. And then before you know it, you, the way you, the waitresses, if they look good enough, they within two or three weeks, they go, yeah, what am I doing?

Yeah. Yeah. It's like some people say like the halfway houses is worse than prison because you're right there in the middle of the city. Your family's two miles away. You know, you're able to leave and go to work, but you can't go to lunch or dinner. You can't go like your family can't come see you at the right. You know, so every halfway house is different. Right.

Exactly. It's so overwhelming. Like, you know, guys will get in trouble for, you know, oh, I'm going to walk to the bank.

They don't go to the bank. Yeah, well, they'll go or they'll go in the parking lot and have their girlfriend meet them in the parking lot. They have sex in the parking lot or whatever. And then they walk. And then she had an ankle monitor on and the guy in the halfway house is like, yeah, well, the bank's here. Here's a sidewalk. You went here.

Like this chick's counting out $800 a night and I'm bringing home 150, you know, what am I doing? So.

for 20 minutes and then you went to the bank you didn't go to the bank but yeah we're violating you but you know you don't know this isn't a court of law bro i don't have to know what you did i do know what you did i'm to prove this to anybody i have 100 control i mean so there's just all these horrible um uh you know that that that uh

Temptation that's there and people just can't.

Okay.

No, no. I think it's funny. I think we should be pulled together.

Did you ever see that? It was like a Survivor episode. Did you ever see the one where they did? It wasn't. I don't think it was Survivor, but it was a Survivor type show. And they took all the women and they put them on one island and they basically had to. catch food, they'd get water and catch food and be able to basically survive for supposed to be for like a week or something.

And how are you a bartender at 18?

And they put a bunch of men on another island. Remember, by the end of the first day, the women are at each other's throat. And then if

you look at the men the men have they've got clean water they've they figured out how to fish how to lay traps how to and they're and they're like super supportive of each other and they're like the whole time they're laughing and joking these women are melting down they're crying they're they're called they're they're plotting against each other they're calling each other name and it's like they're in each other's throats and these guys are like

You know, they're they're playing like, you know, they're jumping on each other, you know, play fighting and joking. It is it honestly. But with the first day they have to be rescued. They're like, that's it.

It was it was funny.

Oh, prison's horrible. Oh, my God.

Prison is the first time that now I had heard, you know, you hear people like, oh, he's jealous or, you know, and I'd seen like a little bit of behavior in people where it seemed like, well, you're being like slightly irrational. Right. But you couldn't really peg it down to maybe this person is just genuinely just jealous of another human being.

When I went to prison, you know, you are so confined and it's such a you get to know someone so quick because you have to spend so much time with them. But I never I've never seen people just be outright jealous of another person, which seems like such a childish emotion. It's so ugly. They talk about each other and you're like.

This guy's done nothing to you, but you're kind of boils down to, you know, the only thing that makes sense to why you're saying these things and making things up about this person is you're jealous of him because he has something going on and he's working on this and he's got something to go home to. And he's made better decisions while he was in here and while he was out.

And you're just a bitter, jealous human being like that. You know, or just, you know, mental illness that you don't pick up on the outside world unless you live with someone.

From a distance, you know, you don't notice it as much as if it's the guy in the cell next to you. And you're like, oh, wow, you're doing something not right. Yeah.

How quickly did that happen?

The same day?

Okay.

Right.

How hard was that?

Really?

At least they gave you 30 days. Like, that's a bonus.

Because if you walk in the door and tell them that. They're going to be like, yeah, well, thanks for coming by.

But at least 30 days, they're like, after 30 days, they're like, nah, this is a good employee.

Right. And what happened?

That's probably not the message you want to be pitching. But anyway.

Yeah, yeah.

You want to be an engineer or something.

On YouTube.

Yeah, I was going to say, we interviewed a woman who, that's all she does. They get outrageous money.

This is a thing.

Are you at the point now where you're just it's just managing people?

And I was going to say, do you focus more on service businesses? Because it's the easiest thing to open.

I dated a chick that was a stripper for about three years, the whole time she went to college. And she would come home and be like, she would have like the girls that she thought were, you know, they were friendly. Some were more friendly than the others. And every once in a while, one would kind of pull her aside and say, listen. You know, they do the whole, listen, this guy over here.

um i don't know what i was watching where the guy was saying like you have a leg up if you have a story doesn't even matter if the story has anything to do with what you're pitching or you're selling you actually have a leg up because you at least have you have a story to tell people to sell them on you uh and um yeah so i was gonna say uh Like, how do you get clients? How do you get customers?

Not from YouTube. I mean, for the business.

You know what I'm saying? For this much money, you know, so you'll leave. And, you know, and she would be like, well, how do you even leave? And she'd go, no, no, no, the bouncer. So the bouncer's in on it.

Well, I think most most service oriented businesses make you can make a lot of money fairly quickly and most of them fail because of mismanagement. People get, you know, people start getting they get two hundred fifty dollars and they think that's all profit. No, it's not.

They're still Uncle Sam. They're still overhead. They're still you know, you just start trimming it down to start. But you usually know that that usually buries people and they fail as a result or or you get to that point where you start to figure it out before it's too late. And or of course, if you have some business sense, then you kind of go in knowing, OK, we're going to put this aside.

This is my profit, you know, and and you have that cushion. But. And yeah, service oriented businesses are great, especially to start off if you're getting out of prison and you feel like you can't get hired.

I was going to say the other thing is I think a lot of people feel like you feel the whole time you were in there. And the same way I felt. Who's hiring me? nobody's hiring me. But the truth is people will hire you. Is it harder? You can get a job. Is it harder? Yes. Are you going to get a job as a CEO of a company? No, that's not happening right away.

Like they have all these rules. Like you can't accept a business card or a phone number. You can't give them your phone. Like if I see that, like they'll tell you if I see this. But then on the side. If a guy gives him $1,000, he'll let you go home early, walk you to your car, then you drive down the street, meet the guy at a hotel that he's got. You know what I mean?

You know, like you're going to have to start at the bottom, but you can find someplace to work. But that's how I felt when I left. I was like, what do I do now? I was thinking McDonald's.

Oh, in prison?

No, they're not. It's definitely not about rehabilitation.

Just jumping back to the book. You basically have already written the book. Like you just did a two-hour podcast. That really laid it out right there. You know, that is your book. It may not be. That's probably only 60 pages. Right. But you could take that and then just expand on anything you want to expand on.

And other than that, you told a story great, other than the fact that you didn't mention the boyfriend got out of prison and wanted his business back. Oh, right, right. And, you know, that was out of sequence. Other than that, that was it was told very well. You know, you just have to you might have to expand on a few spots. Right. Oh, for sure. Other than that, you basically just written a book.

You could take the transcript. You could take the audio to this, drop it in a train and a train. One of those things does the transcripts. Take it and pop it into word and then just find places that you want to expand on and blow it up. You probably have a book in a month.

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So she said probably once every couple of months, somebody would go to her and say, listen, this guy over here. And she was like, wow. She's like, it's funny because they'll give you such a hard line.

into your face and to all the girls but behind the scenes the bouncers and the club managers are walking you out to your car to get into a car to drive down the street oh yeah and she and she was at a she worked at a scarlet uh cabaret whatever like it was a scarlet gentleman club it was like an upscale club this wasn't like mons venus this was and if it's happening there it's happening everywhere

There's a veneer of of legitimacy up front.

Okay.

You just wanted to get, I just want to do my time.

And very realistic.

I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends.

Right.

Into Mexico, yeah.

I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends.