Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How I Caught The World's Best Counterfeiter | Secret Service Agent Brad Beeler
08 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: What motivates individuals to counterfeit money?
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We were chasing a ghost. He's the best counterfeiter in the world. Grabbed the Rolling Stone. I opened it up, and there is his face on a $100 bill. The king of counterfeit. Went to college and grad school for criminology, and when I did that, did an internship with the Secret Service. It just seemed like an interesting career. So it was one of those things where I tried out for it.
After a couple years, after I got my master's degree and was blessed, had kind of a square life, I guess, so to speak. I always was staying out of trouble, not using drugs, those types of things. And I was blessed to start in Chicago.
They just write you a letter?
Uh, yeah.
You get a phone, no phone call. Two guys don't show up at the door.
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Chapter 2: How did Art Williams become the world's best counterfeiter?
They said the guys who are making them passing little bits, they said because there's just thousands of them and they can get away with hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years and not get caught because they're doing it so kind of minor. They said like one player making millions and millions.
They said that that guy typically gets caught fairly quickly or is not something they're that worried about. I mean, I mean, So is that right? Or has that changed?
Traditionally, you would see it as an art form. So somebody would take an offset printing press. They would actually make the plates. They would try to procure the paper. And it was an art form. And they would make large amounts. And then that ultimately turned to foreign sources, similar to how drugs would come into the country, counterfeit would come into the country.
Then what you saw in the late 90s with kind of the invention of the all-in-one copier printer is people said, wait a second, I can put a bill on there and just flip it over and I can print this out. But the way we determine counterfeit and not counterfeit is we learn how genuine is made.
So if you learn how genuine is made, anything that's not genuine, therefore, is counterfeit because it can be counterfeited a lot of different ways. So true genuine currency is 75% cotton, 25% linen. We have other various security features that go into it. The plates are engraved. They're engraved, which is what the black part that's put on the paper.
And the green part is actually stamped into the paper. So that's typographic. So that's how genuine paper is made. And if it's not genuine, then it's counterfeit. So in the late 90s and 2000s, when I came into the counterfeit squad, we would see a lot of these startups that you kind of talk about where people were trying to rip off drug dealers, go to the 7-Eleven, those types of things, where...
We would stop that as it was entering the money supply pretty quickly because it wasn't high-end quality. But the first case I got in the Secret Service was kind of a hybrid attempt to kind of get past some of the security features that we'd put in the big-face bills, the 1996 bills, which you've probably seen today. The big-face bills.
The fact that you're using the street term.
The big-face bills, right? Is that a lot of the people were doing the old-school ones. They weren't transitioning over to the big-face bills and As that went on, people started to really look a little bit closer when they would see the old non-big face bills. So it was these counterfeiters would start trying to play around with how do I get past the pen? How do I get past the color shifting ink?
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Chapter 3: What challenges did Secret Service agents face in catching counterfeiters?
So it wasn't until 2001 when we really heated it up, and literally we had 11 different kind of avenues into this individual, but we couldn't find him.
Are you still getting – Are you – this whole time that you guys – you're not working on that case because you're doing the presidential detail. Are you still getting – like is it coming in like notifications from banks saying, hey, we got 620s. Hey, we got 12 different $50 bills here. And they're just – those are just piling up. But you're not looking.
You don't have time to look into them. So he's just running rampant. Is anybody else looking into him? Like are the local cops or – So the problem is he was changing up his serial numbers.
Right. But he had a very distinctive style. So at that time, we were a little more decentralized than we are now, and he would play on that. And he was smart because he wouldn't pass where he lived. So we had an idea that he was in the Chicagoland area, but what he would do is he would go down each of the interstates, and he wouldn't pass on the way down.
He would start passing on the way back home. And what he would do is he would get a bunch of items. Let's say I'm going to buy that Starbucks or that Dunkin' Donuts right there. I'm going to give you $100. So he's going to pocket $96. Right. or typically he'd go buy small items at a strip mall, and they would just absolutely destroy the strip mall, and then they would leave.
They'd go 20, 30, 40 miles down the road, you know, so that if authorities were called, they would be outside that county. You know, if somebody put a bolo for a certain type of car, they would be past that. So he was very, very smart in that regard, and he would typically only work with people that were close to him. They thought, hey, they're not going to die me out.
So they would go out as a team. And they would have a U-Haul truck. And they would actually put all the items in the U-Haul truck, the little $10 items. And when they got back to Chicago, they would go to the Salvation Army and donate all the items that they didn't want, which kind of gave him a little bit of a Robin Hood flair, I guess, so to speak, whatever rationalization he wanted to use.
I was thinking eBay. I'd start a website, and it's all going on the website. Yeah, so this was – Specializing in baby stuff or something.
Right at the start of eBay. So, yeah, he definitely missed out on that opportunity, right? I'll talk to him. Get it straight with him. So, yeah, that's basically what he was doing. So it was very, very difficult because we would have offices in Springfield, Des Moines, Oklahoma City that would work part of it. But then it would all come back to us because –
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Chapter 4: What led to Art Williams' eventual arrest and case closure?
The wife answered the door, and she was in her, like, nightgown, but you could tell they were still up. And she goes, how can I help you? And he said, hey, I'm Bill, the Secret Service, and we'd like to speak with your husband. And she's like, oh, okay. And he's like, you might want to put some coffee on for us. And she's like, absolutely. Super genuine Midwestern lady.
And so she goes and does that. And I vividly remember this guy was sitting at the kitchen table. And Bill walks towards the kitchen table, and he looks on the wall, and he sees a picture, a wedding picture from probably the 60s. And it's the same woman. So he can tell. They've been married for 40, 50 years. And then he sees a Marine Corps picture with this individual. Oh, he was?
He may have been a sniper. He could have been. But Bill looked at it, and he started... You could see he put those things together in his head really, really quickly. And so... He introduced himself to the man. He goes, hey, he introduced himself. We always introduce ourself by our first name, not our title. You know, hey, I'm Bill. I'm with the Secret Service.
This is Brad with the Secret Service. Hey, you know, let me ask you a question. Do you have you do you know what the Secret Service does? And he's like, yeah, not really. Like what we do do things. We stop counterfeit money. and we protect the present and protect these of the Secret Service. And he goes, have you been printing any counterfeit money lately? And the guy goes, no.
He goes, well, now you know why I'm here. And he says, the reason I'm talking to you the way I'm talking to you is as I walked into this door, I met your wonderful wife. I see you've been married for a long period of time. So it shows you're in a committed relationship. And I see that you've served our country. So I know I have a good man here.
And what I'd like to hope is we have a good man here that had a poor choice of words and certain circumstances caused him to do something. And he's not really a threat.
Right.
Okay. And I hope that that's the case. And I hope that that's something we can talk about and that you can answer any additional questions as to why you made that poor choice when you went to that pay phone and made that phone call at 437 p.m. And you just see this guy's eyes just light up. He gave him not just you did it, but he also gave him a way out. Yeah, yeah.
Patted him on the back a little bit. And that's what I find as far as trying to elicit information from people is you've got to focus on the why. Because we all have our choose our own adventure story in life. And if you just focus on the why, you don't get the information. So that and seeing the positive outcome there. made me believe like, wow, communication is so important.
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Chapter 5: What humorous incident occurred during the polygraph process?
See site for details. She just, that was her go-to move when they would ask her.
I just, I'm falling asleep. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just, I'm so tired. I'm asking you if you've killed somebody and you're falling asleep.
Right, right. It was actually her boyfriend, or her, no, husband, because they had been married at this point. But I was just like, how embarrassing for her. Like this. Did you really? I would love to say, come on, sweetie. That was the best. You didn't have to take it.
Chapter 6: How do psychological factors affect polygraph results?
She's trying to act like she's cooperating, but she's obviously not, right? So we do see that a lot where people will misanswer or whatever the case may be. They're taking the test drive to the car. They're trying to appear to be cooperative. But in that way, they're not, unfortunately. And you see that.
Unfortunately, you see a lot of stuff on the internet where if you jump on right now and you type in how to beat a polygraph, you're going to see 2.7 million hits. And that's the problem with a lot of applicants is they freak out. They hear these horror stories about polygraph. Oh, I'm going to be a false positive. And they go down the rabbit hole.
And the next thing they know, they come in on game day and they do X, Y, and Z. And it's a problem. All right. Unfortunately, because I can tell you this, it's not some agencies report about, but more people are caught doing countermeasures that had nothing to hide than our false positives. And that's, that's the sad part is that when I fly, uh,
Chapter 7: What strategies can be used to build rapport during interrogations?
I would have to check in with the pilot and say, hey, I'm armed. And they'll say, where are you going? I'm going to Toledo to run Polygraph. Polygraph? Man, I heard that doesn't work, and I heard you can beat it. I say, well, pilot? I said, are magnetometers 100%? Well, no. I said, well, 350 people are about to get on this plane, and you feel pretty confident. Why is it effective?
Because a lot of people won't bring things to the magnetometer if they think they're going to get caught. It's the same thing with Polygraph, all right? And then I say, regarding who can beat it, I could read your manual on that 787, right? It'd probably be 5,000 pages, but I could read it, right? Yeah, you could read it.
Chapter 8: What insights does Brad share about the importance of communication?
I said, well, if I came in and on game day, when I hadn't flown it before, you covered the windows and the instrument panel went out, what would happen? Oh, you'd crash. I said, that's the same thing when somebody learns on, hey, I'm going to do X, Y, and Z to try to affect the polygraph, but they can't see what I'm seeing from a physiological standpoint. They can't see what my screen is doing.
They can't see what they're producing, and they're going to crash, unfortunately. But a sucker's born every minute. P.T. Barnum said that a long time ago. And a lot of things you believe on the internet or YouTube or TikTok, whatever the case may be, the best way to pass a polygraph is to be honest in the pre-test, right?
And say, I've done X, Y, and Z. Not go down the rabbit hole of YouTube, TikTok, whatever, and just be 100% honest. If you do that and get a good night's sleep, chances are you're going to pass a polygraph if you have nothing to hide.
I'm going to ask you what my buddy had said, that he knew of someone, whether this is true or not. I don't know if he knows if it's true. I'm telling you, this guy said that he was locked up in federal prison. The FBI came to give him a polygraph, and they gave him a polygraph. And prior to the polygraph, he took – I want to say it was like Seroquel or something. It was something that –
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure. And he took something, and he said he went in there and lied his ass off and passed the polygraph. Now, that's what he said, but, of course, he's getting that from this guy who says he had lied and passed the polygraph.
I mean, is that something that— It's amazing, and I'm sure you've seen this in your time around people like that, right? There's a lot of people that talk a big game, right?
Yeah, yeah.
And I'll see a lot of people on Reddit, or back when I was running more applicant exams, I'll see people that I tested the next day go on these forums and be like, yeah, I did this, that, and the other, and I passed. And I'm like, no, you didn't. Or I passed because I did countermeasures. No, you failed. Or we caught the countermeasures or whatever.
We don't provide those results to anybody else, so they can say whatever they want to say.
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