Matthew Cox

The telecommunications fraud.

They let that go.

All right.

The counterfeit credit cards.

Well, that's actually happened.

So that's what led to the counterfeit credit cards.

Because up until that point, I was manufacturing credit cards, but I wasn't doing it on scale.

I was just doing it for us to be able to use, you know, to go fill up the boat with gas.

Why didn't we talk about this in the book?

Because you didn't want to.

You wanted to make me look bad, scumbag.

An entire dimension that you didn't want to capture.

I discussed the bank fraud with you, passport fraud, and you just really shortchanged me.

Yeah, well, that's my bad.

That's why I come off as such an unsympathetic person.

And so anyhow, that was an illustration of how you move money, whether it's through ethnic groups or whether it's through the Chinese.

And so this is the segue now for the black market peso exchange in China.

Well, as indicated earlier, trade-based money laundering schemes have been utilized now for decades in Mexico.

Where it transitioned into the Chinese context is by the early 2000s, a Mexican drug lord named Nacho Cordonel.

Oh, that's Nacho?