Matthew Cox

I mean, when your blood betrays you twice, right?

And so I think that was very, very difficult from him.

But when we went in to talk to Art, it was kind of the same thing.

He was completely honest.

The first time we had arrested him, he'd actually wrote a note to his wife saying, hey, it's all on me.

I'm taking it.

Like, I think she was involved.

Yeah.

She was assisting, obviously.

But he's literally writing a note, please give this to her and tell her I took all the hit.

So what the family is doing to him, he's doing the exact opposite.

Yeah.

He's taking it all down.

And so I kind of led off with, you know, hey, you remember me, blah, blah, blah.

He did.

And I played full fanboy.

I was like, I got the Rolling Stone article, and I said, brother, I'd love if you could autograph that.

He brought the – Well, and I don't view this as like – I don't view it as like a scalp, but I viewed it as, hey, Art, man, I love your work.

And there was a mutual pride there.

There was a mutual respect, and I literally said like –