Matthew Cox

It's whatever we ask for.

And the crazy thing about a default judgment is the client now asks for I forget what the amount is now, but they'll ask for a certain amount per trademark.

So for a Louis Vuitton bag that has 50 trademarks on it, that's 50 times a thousand or whatever it is.

That's one bag.

Right.

You know what I mean?

So they'll quantify that to the point where it's so ridiculous that you're paying them for the rest of your life.

know um i've i've seen that i actually you know i've i've been a part of seizures where we've been to people's houses um this one in particular um you know sad i mean we even i don't think we actually took the parrot but we took everything but the parrot you know um the television left the underwear um left the bible

But pretty much everything else we took and, you know, gave it to an auction house to auction it off to settle some of that.

So are you saying that none of these guys go to jail?

I'm not saying none of them do.

I'm just saying that I haven't seen many of them go to jail.

And again, it's partially because the allocation.

I mean, you know, especially I'm in Dallas now, but when I used to be in L.A.

County, I mean.

They don't have any room for those folks.

I don't know.

I mean, some of these guys, if you can get them on trafficking, the federal prison stint can be long.

You could do five, six years for trafficking charges, but a one time misdemeanor or felony, probably not so much, you know.

But again, again, if you keep on going, the brands will sue you.