Matthew Goodwin
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first heard Feb 2025
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net zero and climate change, and a broken model of multiculturalism that most recently found its expression in the rape gang scandal across more than 50 towns in the country. Now, many voters over the last 30 years have gradually looked at this elite consensus shared by the established left and right. And they said, you know, we've had enough. We want a different politics.
We want a different kind of culture. And that is why I actually think you're beginning to see now what America saw in 2015, 2016. We're beginning to see radical political change in this country. As I'm talking to you now in early, mid-February 2025, in the national polls, Nigel Farage and the Reform Party are now number one.
Labour and the Conservatives are now trailing this disruptive party, similar to the Canadian Reform Party in the early 1990s. We're beginning to see a serious pushback from voters who have had enough of this.
And in Europe too, Jordan, you will know, in Germany, Austria, Sweden, we are, I think, beginning to see a sustained public-led pushback to the policies that have dominated Western democracies for the last 30 to 50 years.
Well, you're answering your own questions in a way, Jordan, because the answer is they're not conservatives. What has happened to the Conservative Party, one of the oldest, most successful parties in the history of democracy? is that it has completely abandoned its ideological roots. It's become a liberal party.
The vast majority of MPs in Parliament, Conservative MPs, are essentially liberal MPs. They are the ones that put mass immigration on steroids. They are the ones that put net zero on steroids. They are the ones that put gender ideology on steroids. And Kemi Badenoch is claiming that. that the party has learned its lessons, that she's going to change direction.
But in reality, because of the structure of the Conservative Parliamentary Party, because it is dominated from top to bottom by liberals, even if Kemi Badenock believes in what she's saying, she knows deep down she will not be able to fundamentally change the direction of travel. So what I think we need...
is a bit like what America has witnessed over the last 10 years, which is a complete replacement of not just the Tory party, but the dominant establishment in this country, which is clinging to a consensus that is fundamentally out of touch with what voters want.
I mean, mass immigration, I'll give you one example, Jordan, we can come back and talk a little bit about net zero, but to me, mass uncontrolled immigration has fundamentally weakened Britain, Great Britain. It has undermined our prosperity. It has divided our society. Nobody ever voted for it. Boris Johnson did the opposite of what he promised voters he would do when he was elected in 2019.
He said he'd lower immigration. He put it on steroids. 86% of all migration into Britain is now coming from outside Europe. from what I would argue are culturally incompatible nations. They're more impoverished nations. And the evidence that we now have from various government bodies that are now finally admitting that actually this is a net fiscal cost to the UK taxpayer.
Before you get to things like the rape gangs, before you get to things like Islamist terrorism, before you get to things like sectarianism on the streets of Britain that we've seen since the 7th of October, just at an economic level, this doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Yet it was imposed on everybody by both the established left and the established right.
So my theory of British politics here is that the voter backlash to mass immigration is going to be the new Brexit. This is going to be a major fault line in our politics. And the Tories...
the status conscious Tories, and you're right, Jordan, because they are more interested in winning social status from London liberals, from the luxury belief class, from what Rob Henderson and others have talked about. They are more interested in accruing social status from the London bubble than they are at saving this country. And that is a reality about the Tory party.
They've completely sold this country down the river. In fact, one minor example that I think will give international viewers a real sense of what I would argue is a betrayal. It was the Conservative Party under Boris Johnson when it was in office that even removed a requirement for companies in Britain to advertise jobs in Britain before they advertise them overseas.
They didn't even prioritize British workers within this national economy. They just completely opened the floodgates. And the end result is what you see around us today, which is zero growth,
Massive amounts of debt, no productivity, declining GDP per capita, while we're also pursuing this net zero madness, closing steel factories across northern England, in order to deal with this political vanity project for an elite class that doesn't apparently seem to care about anybody else in this country. So I'm deeply worried about the direction of travel.
But the Tory party is not going to change anything. the direction of travel. If an architect demolished your house, you wouldn't invite the architect back to do it again, would you? And I think in the same way, it was the Tories that really demolished Britain. So why on earth would you invite them back to have another go? I think we need wholesale political change.
Well, I think the answer to the first question is I would describe myself as, I mean, it sounds very vague, but as somebody who simply cares a great deal about his country and somebody who is, in very broad terms, on the side of the forgotten majority of people who share small c conservative values, particularly on cultural and identity issues, who want to reform the economy so it works for ordinary people, but feel that they're no longer really in the conversation.
And I... I don't feel as though my politics have changed over the last 20 years. What I think has happened is that we have been living through, over the last 10 years, the greatest radicalization of the elite class in Western societies since the 1960s. And I've seen this, not just in terms of the universities, but actually in Westminster.
And I think the answer to your second question is to go back again to this idea of the luxury belief class. What we've been living through is an elite class imposing policies on everybody else, the consequences of which they are not going to have to endure. And I think you can see that in everything from mass migration, which across Europe the evidence now is overwhelming –
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