Matthew McConaughey

I like to write the headline or have a, I think we need to have a North Star, something to look forward to.

But we all know that if we're staring at it, we're tripping on the way.

If we're just, you know, the old, you read the Hallmark cards, which irk me, you know, dream it, you can do it.

I think that's a,

Half-ass horrible thing to tell somebody.

Yeah.

You know, because, and you talk, and then on the other side, you have things like, you know, people say hope means nothing.

Well, yes, it does.

That's the dream.

You just don't stop there.

It's not a period after that word.

Now, what do we do practically?

And I think that constant tension, when that tension's a dance is when it's beautiful.

But to see those as contradictions, I think is where we've fallen short.

So I don't, one on their own, if we silo the two,

Well, if you silo the two, I guess the pragmatic's the one to go with because at least you'll get something done.

But if you only silo the dream and don't do anything about it, you're kind of living in an illusion and kind of living in a virtual reality.

Yeah.

How much of that though, I wonder, is proper initiation?

Because if you throw in dreams out, I call it conservative, very liberal late.