Matthew Slotover

It's more complex than that.

There's like five or six different groups, aren't there, there?

Everyone gets on pretty well.

You know, we both know Tracy.

Rob is really involved with Tracy, I mean, on a daily basis, really.

And Tracy's obviously the queen of Margate.

And what Tracy has done in Margate is incredible.

You know, she's...

got these studios for permanent artists and for young artists and the young artists i think so it has something like 2 000 applications from all over the world for like 10 places and there's an art from amazing arts from india this year i think that's one from iran one from canada like ethiopia russia like all over the world there's only one who's originally from essence you know and i hear that you know art schools like major art schools in like stadel schule in frankfurt now

One of the people's goals after studying there for sort of seven years is to get on to Tracy's art school.

I mean, it's really well thought of.

It's only the second year, isn't it?

But the quality is really something else.

She's doing a pavilion, which is going to be amazing.

If anyone fancies buying a big building somewhere, there's incredible big spaces in Margate for nothing.

Of course, you've got to renovate them.

That's what we found with the hotel.

You can buy them for nothing, but then it costs 10 times what you'd buy them for to renovate them.

Go on, Rob.

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