Maureen Callahan

They're happy to get this out there.

Continuing on from the second NBC source, the producer, she's pushing her luck.

The idea looks cute on paper, but in reality, it's awkward.

It's forced and exhausting.

Hoda's charm only goes so far when people are tapped out.

And of Guthrie's involvement in this interview, another insider said, Savannah gave Hoda 15 minutes at 4 a.m.

That tells you everything.

If anyone else with so few subscribers asked Savannah to do media, she wouldn't.

It's basically Hoda forcing her way back into relevance and no one is impressed.

A representative for Copy declined to give an on-the-record response.

So Hoda knows all about this.

They went to her for comment before they went to press.

And Hoda, could she be feeling shame?

Is she capable?

So many of these people are just incapable of feeling shame.

Now, as discussed, Joy 101's YouTube channel has less than 2,000 subscribers.

These episodes, by the way, are presented by QVC.

That's where she's headed.

That's where Hoda's headed.

Okay, so now, as discussed, Hoda jumps into Savannah's car while Savannah's on the way to work at 4 a.m.