Maureen Dowd
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Yeah, so he shot up the House. You can still see the gunshots on some of the desks. And he took the gun, and then there was a trial. And the defense attorney asked him how he knew that it was his client's gun. And my dad goes, because I carved my initials on it, which you can see if you look at it.
He was... My dad was very magnetic and cool. And... Anyway, Washington is one big ball of stress. They need some weed there. I mean, they're ripping it from the inside out.
Everyone's head is spinning. I mean, this wolf pack or brat pack of young doge kids. Yeah. with backpacks and pizza shows up. They had a confrontation today or yesterday at the U.S. Institute of Peace where they didn't want to let them in, and they were trying to sneak in. And, you know, it's scary because it was—I think you— said something.
I was going to say, great line.
I'm elaborating on it, but it's like if you want to get rid of your stomach, you don't use a John Belushi samurai sword to cut it off. You just use a Zympic. There's a more careful way to do it. I mean, it would be nice to save money and have a leaner government, but these kids show up and they're trying to get into agencies. It's very disorienting because there was no
in the sense of there's no, you know, disclosure agreements. Nobody knows what they're getting. They're getting taxpayers' information. And... A lot of it probably is illegal. And, you know, it's just an insane situation. And Elon Musk, there's a piece about him in the book.
When he didn't like Trump. Yeah, when he didn't like Trump.
Oh, yeah. Well, there's that.
Well, Silicon Valley was liberal and now it's very Republican.
And everybody in Hollywood had a Tesla.
He's gone very far. But I think the problem is he does not believe in government, so he's perfectly happy to eviscerate government. And he's treating it like a business or something. And it's government. You know, you can't do that. I'm not saying I don't want to get rid of stupid and wasteful things.
But the way they're doing it, you know, just imagine Washington and this crazy pack of kids running around getting everyone's information. Yeah.
Yeah, Trump is treating it. I used to like this TV show when I was little called Treasure Chest, where Jan Murray would open the treasure chest every week. Remember that?
Yeah. So there's that thrill of them getting into an agency and finding the things that are stupid to cut. But there's more to it than that, you know.
Thank God I'm in Bobby Kennedy's America. I don't worry when I get sick.
Right. I just don't. Well, like when he had this presidential address. Recently, he had a child there who he said had gotten cancer maybe from chemicals, but then they're cutting the things at NIH that are watching that. Like when he talked to Zielinski today, He said, oh, I want to help you with these children that the Russians have kidnapped.
You know, they've kidnapped all these Ukrainian children. But then Doge cut a Yale program which tracks the children and tries to, you know, so this is what's going on. Everybody wants to get rid of waste, but this is a crazy, nobody knows what anyone's doing. Everything's spinning.
Well, I had to cancel my first day on the book tour. I was supposed to be on CNN with Caitlin Collins. And, you know, I just slept. But when you're on book tour, it's hard to get enough sleep.
That's it, that made me.
Well, I know that COVID was hard for all of us, but I do know it was hard for you because I feel like I kept sending you pink ties to cheer you up.
I know, I was at my dining room table working by myself for two years. I thought I would go mad. You know, it was a horrible period for the country.
I know. You don't like to travel, right?
Well, I try, but they just did a crazy six-month redecoration of our office. We haven't been there, but I will be going back after book tour.
You don't need to, but I don't like working alone. I mean, if I had known I was going to be working alone so much, I would have become a cocktail waitress. I don't want to be a journalist enough to do it alone.
Yeah, that's the whole point. The newsroom. Right.
Yeah, all these kids have not even experienced a newsroom. I don't know how they meet people to date. I don't know how they get mentors. I don't know how they imitate. I used to watch reporters, and then I would know how to do it. I don't know who they modeled themselves on. I think it's horrible for young people. But some of them seem to not want to be in the office, which I don't get at all.
Like Larry David is like that. I mean, Europe, what's the point?
They do the Patrick Swayze leap, right? Don't they dance? Is that the one? Yeah, Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone.
They do the, yeah, that Patrick Swayze.
Sorry, I didn't mean to ruin it.
And we're strangers in a strange land, and they're cyborgs. I mean, you know, they have the phone. They're almost like part computer. And they don't, it's funny with journalism because they don't, want to make calls. They'll text someone, but they don't want to pick up the phone.
Now, have you dated someone where you had that divide? Where they were very... Why not?
Right. So when I'm covering, let's say I was on deadline writing about the Trump address recently, and my assistant is watching it through his phone. He's not watching the TV with me. And I'm like, let's both look at the TV. But no, that is not going to happen.
Right. And then you gave me some advice on your show. Publicly. But if they ran that advice on a loop in dispensaries, that would be good. What was the advice?
But there's some filter in there. And I'm like, let's just pay attention to this. But no.
We had a huge picture of JFK.
Yeah, I often wonder. My father wouldn't, but I wonder. I don't think my mom would, but I can see parts of Trump she would like. She did feel we were sending too much foreign aid and a lot of the things he harps on. And I think she would like, she liked, funnily enough, she became a Republican with Reagan. because she loved Ronald Reagan, especially in a tuxedo. She loved him.
But then she loved Clinton because he was optimistic and talked to her. I think she would like the fact that Trump keeps talking to his fans, you know?
Yeah, but also he talks to them in a way... Barack Obama or, you know, other, George W. Bush don't talk to fans the way they would talk to their wife or a friend. And Trump does. You know, it's very, he would tell people at rallies anything he would tell Melania, probably more.
Well, they didn't. I mean, the problem with when Denver.
Well, it's my publisher.
Confirm. But my publisher, Trump, called us after the 2016 election. He called the Times, and he came over, and we had a big meeting with him. And he began complaining about me. And the publisher said, Mr. Trump, or President Trump, it's not your fault. It's just your turn. Wow. Wow.
Yeah. Oh, I should have used that as the title. Well, I have another shot at it.
But can I just clear up something, which I keep trying to clear up, but no one believes me. It was a five square chocolate caramel candy bar. I had one half of one square. Everyone said you shouldn't have eaten the whole candy bar because that's like guzzling a bottle of Jack Daniels. But I didn't. But here's the thing. It was a bunch of hippies who suddenly became billionaires.
Yes, and I loved your editorial.
Yeah, I was at Columbia getting my graduate degree in English literature a couple years ago. Yep, I got it.
And I was in a class of pre-Renaissance plays, and the teacher, this British guy goes, this woman character, he goes, what is she? And I looked down at the footnotes, And I go, oh, she's a whore. And the whole class, all the students and the teacher were like, and the teacher goes, Maureen, she's a sex worker. Just like I said. Before Shakespeare. Right.
Yes, it was much more valuable. You know, I didn't have rich parents to pay for it, so it was very expensive.
Thank God my time.
My time there was before that. And so it was very peaceful. Oh, it was before that. Right before.
But he's, it's funny.
This is funny. You would like this. Listen, they're cutting words out of, you know, they're saying we shouldn't use certain words. Like there are eight different gender words. But one of the words that they're trying to cut out is prostitutes. And that's such a useful word in Washington. Yeah.
Yeah, there's so many men.
Oh, well, you know, originally Truman Capote wanted it to be Marilyn Monroe, which would have made, well, it would have made more sense because she's supposed to be kind of a hillbilly and a singer. Right, right. You know, and because it was Audrey Hepburn, they completely whitewashed what she did for a living. So you just thought she was a party girl.
Okay, so they give her... So you didn't believe the washroom thing.
And they didn't want to put in a speed bump for new people where they labeled it with instructions or had a thing on a loop like your instructions where they said, if you take an edible, you've got to wait an hour and a half because that's how long it takes to kick in. But the funny thing was they...
But tell me what other movies you've been watching.
Oh, I love that. Except for her wig. It makes her look like George Washington.
Yeah, I love Barbara Stanwyck. She's that cute. She was my dad's favorite actress. She has a sexy way about her.
Yeah. Because it's always...
It's a great plot. Yeah. The woman's a vixen and the guy's a sap.
You've got to watch Out of the Past. That's my favorite.
Yes, but it gets a little twist at the end. It's Robert Mitchum, Kirk Douglas, our old friend, and Jane Greer. It's the perfect film noir.
Yeah, I based my whole... When I started in journalism, it was mostly men, and I was terrified. So I would watch film noir to see how the women kind of dominated, you know, and take tips from them. Not as a femme fatale, but as... somebody, you know, they would always come in and say something like, quite the hacienda, or they'd say something that would put the men back on their heels.
So I wanted to be coached by these very strong women.
They put up, they hired a model who looked like me and put up billboards all over Denver with the message. Oh, that's hysterical. Something like, don't be like Mo, go slow. Wow. With, like me with my head in my hands. That's hysterical.
But she didn't mean it, Bill. But they're not.
Oh, my God, wait.
I love you giving the plot of classic movies to another.
This is like masterpiece theater, sort of.
It's like, you know, this plot goes back to Macbeth. Macbeth had a nice boss, but the wife said, no, you've got to kill him. Take his job. You're right.
Yeah. This is my favorite genre.
And there's that funny scene with the little girl.
I have a picture of it in my office.
And then she doesn't identify him because she said it was a bald man. Remember?
What is your all-time favorite movie?
Wow. So you didn't think Shakespeare in Love should have won the Oscar?
Yeah. See, now we're going to have our disagreements.
And I have an interview with Tom Stoppard in here.
Yeah, and I told Tom Stoppard how much I loved it. It's in the book, and even he didn't seem to defend it that much.
Yeah, my dad was in World War I. No. Yeah. Well, he was 61 when I was born. Oh, right. Yeah.
So there's still time, Bill.
Yeah. Well, I actually got the loss change there because all I thought was that they should give you better instructions. I didn't want to slow them down, but they were all furious at the idea that they would be slowed down. But a lot of new people were coming in and older people, and they just needed to tell them how to do it.
Did she love that?
Okay, so when I was 13, my brother took me to see Hamlet in, you know, our park in D.C. And I immediately decided Hamlet was my boyfriend. Then it turned out that he was the worst boyfriend in literary history. Like a few you commit suicide and he treats her terribly.
Yeah, I think that explains a lot. But in the meantime, I did fall in love with Shakespeare, so I love Shakespeare in Love because of that.
I loved it. I just thought it was super clever. I love Tom Stopper.
Oh, yeah. Well, there's that.
Well, I didn't use it.
I am a Shakespeare-loving drug addict. But, you know, I did one of these pieces on Judi Dench, and I loved her, but I didn't use it because she... had Harvey Weinstein's name tattooed on her bum. And I'm not sure she would want to read about that now.
Judi Dench. Why? Because he provided her with a lot of great roles, including that role as the queen in Shakespeare in Love, where she was only on screen for 12 minutes and she won an Oscar.
Well, there's a story about Uma Thurman and Harvey in the book.
And it's funny because a lot of guys.
And a lot of guys have told me they read it twice.
It was a complicated story, though, because it involved Quentin also. But, you know, they're still friends. But she wanted, you know, she wanted to get out this story of how he had been careless in the Carmen Ghia scene and killed Bill. And she was hurt by that. But then he talked about it and said she was right.
How many movies were you in?
I still want you to tell me how to do it. I still haven't gotten back on the horse, so to speak.
What did that feel like?
Was that set in D.C.?
I am going to see it.
Well, you know, this is funny. When Trump was thinking of running for president in, like, 2015, shortly before he did, he was vying to play the president in Sharknado 3. Yeah. True story. That is a true story. I'm sure. So it was one, you know, leader of the free world.
He, well, when I promote, I had a book about Trump and Hillary in that election, the year of voting dangerously. And I was on Michael Smirconish at CNN on Saturday morning at 9 o'clock, and I'm thinking... Who is up watching this at 9 o'clock? And Trump was. And I was critical of him. And afterwards, I ran into Jared Kushner and Ivanka at a dinner party in D.C.,
And Jared took me aside and he said, you know, my father liked you, but now he thinks you've gone crazy. And I said, well, I think he's gone crazy. And Jared said, well, if you do two tweets in a column or two columns in a tweet, you can get back on his good side. Oh, God. And I was like, no, that's not going to happen.
Yeah. We were bargaining over it.
Yeah. We have a journalist dinner, David Bradley. Hmm. And it's, you know, he's a Victorian gentleman. He doesn't make his guests feel uncomfortable. So they feel safe there. And they invite newsmakers. And it's a bunch of journalists. And then we talk to them and, you know, that kind. It wasn't, I don't.
Well, what happened was, yeah, so I was with a girlfriend, Alessandra Stanley, and she... And I did this tiny bit of this candy bar. And we were suddenly, you know, well, we were fine. Then nothing happened for an hour and a half. So we figured we'd get a glass of wine and go to bed. So then suddenly... That's the big mistake. Yeah, I felt paralyzed, but I also felt super paranoid.
Yeah. But this is what is so crazy about watching Trump because he's got these two sides. So one side is kind of scary because it's authoritarian. He and Elon are trying to undermine the judiciary and Congress. You know, Congress is in charge of these agencies, not these Doge kids. And the press, Elon keeps... saying that the people on X are the press now and legacy press is dead.
So in a way, like Dick Cheney, they're messing with checks and balances. But on the other hand, Trump still has that wacky, kind of funny side where he goes down and takes over the Kennedy Center. And now he wants to give the awards to dead people. He wants to give the awards to Elvis, Babe Ruth, and Pavarotti.
And then he goes down, he starts making this speech about how he thinks they should do cats, which was also George W. Bush's favorite play. Really? Yes.
But Trump says at first he didn't get it, but then he began to look at the beautiful bodies of the men and women in gold tights, and he got mesmerized. He's giving this kind of semi-homoerotic thing. He did say, well, I like the women better. But then he's got that wacky side, so he's redecorating the Oval Office and making it like Mar-a-Lago. He hasn't brought up the gold.
And he put gold leaf around the famous mantelpiece in the Oval Office that you know from TV. And he wants to hang a chandelier and they're trying to talk him out of it. And he won't be talked out of it. You know, he wants to make it like Mar-a-Lago. And, you know, I think that you see it actually, I think in the SNL impersonation, that that wacky humorous side is what makes people less afraid of
Of the authoritarian side.
Who says it? Types?
That was a good one. Well, it's interesting because, you know, I have my sister Peggy on book tour with me and she's a Trump voter and a Republican. And all the brothers, right? Yes, but it's interesting to see things from her point of view. But even she kind of rolls her eyes and says she wishes he wouldn't keep saying he won the election.
I was sure that the hotel officials were going to come in and kick me out of the room. And then we were sort of both...
She doesn't want him to sell gold sneakers and tacky things when he's president. So, you know, there are a few things she's objecting to.
She said to tell you that she saw one of your early shows and it was the funniest thing she's ever seen. I mean, my family is in love with you because you are not just on one side or the other. You just say it as it is.
paralyzed for 12 hours and then when i got up for some reason i took a glass of water and walked over to my computer and poured it into it what yeah i like killed my computer i forgot to put that in my piece but um well that to me speaks of some sort of psychological thing that was i wanted to kill well yes wouldn't do what i mean i don't be able to be sigmund freud to see that
Right. Well, so my dad was so excited the night Harry Truman was elected, he stayed up all night. My brother was so excited the night Trump was first elected, he stayed up all night. And Democrats weren't paying attention to what happened here with the working class. And also, they just stopped being any fun.
I mean, they made everyone feel that everything they said and did and every word was wrong. And people don't want to live like that, feeling that everything they do is wrong.
I mean, I think Democrats are just in a coma. They haven't figured out.
It was, I think the Democrats just got to have a suffocating persona where you just couldn't do anything or say anything that wasn't to be criticized.
Oh, really? I was going to say, great line. You don't remember it? No. Not at the moment. I'm scared. I'm too scared.
I'm scared of TV and you and everything. Me? I'm scary? Well, because I know if you chose to, you could eviscerate me.
Oh, that's true.
This is a good film noir. Yeah.
I can't hear my heart beating.
We're going to have a drink.
But you know what I suspect, but I never proved, was that I think they were using a lot of medicinal level at that point. So you didn't quite know what you were getting. I think it might have been a little stronger even. And also they were disguising it as candy. Remember little kids were, and that was all I said. I said, don't, now you're in the game.
And now the right is kind of getting like that. They're kind of getting into cancel culture. I told you about the words.
They are so... I'm shocked about that. I was watching Ted Cruz on TV today or yesterday. I was thinking, why did he come back, you know, after Trump... In fact, my sister Peggy got one of the few apologies that Trump ever gave because I was interviewing him and he's like, how's your sister? He knew she was a Trump voter.
And I said, she is not going to vote for you because you've been trashing Heidi Cruz and talking about women in these polls. horrible terms. And I said, why don't you just apologize to, you know, for that? That was horrible. And there was this long pause. And finally he's like, okay, you know, I'm sorry. I said that about her.
Yeah, but that's what I love. I love that you talk to these people, and that's what's horrible about being in Washington now, because everybody's in their trenches, and it's just like we picked up the Civil War where we left off or something.
What did you think of him?
Yeah, my piece in the book is very... Yeah, yeah, right, right. No, I mean... I still think he's going to be the one, if there's killer robots or killer AI, he's going to be the one to save us. I'm sure nobody wants to hear that, but... Well, to give him his due.
Don't disguise it as candy and just give people instructions.
He called it summoning the demon.
But he also wanted to be an advocate for carbon-based beings. He wanted to be humanity's advocate. That's why he started this whole Mars thing. He said he wanted to die on Mars, just not on impact.
Trump and Elon remind me of like, You know, people always ask me if they're Shakespearean. But I think they're more like Greek gods, you know. They're sort of capricious and cool and they do what they like. It's like watching Zeus and Dionysus, the god of fertility. You know, it isn't like watching Shakespeare.
Well, he's very busy, Bill.
Oh, yeah, I want to go over there.
No, you were talking about movies that are out of date.
Yeah, like Advising Consent, where you see both parties mingling at dinner parties and solving problems. And Gene Tierney is a lovely hostess. No, people do not do that. They're in their corners.
Yeah, my researcher is here with me, and he's still upset he didn't take, Woody Harrelson was giving out gold, like gold finger pot. gold foil joints the night of your show in DC. Can you get him one of those?
But do you think that Democrats should fight fire with fire and get a showman? I mean, it's funny because Elon Musk... Well, Fetterman is who I suggested. Elon Musk was known as the P.T. Barnum of sci-fi. Sci-fi P.T. Barnum. And then Trump is P.T. Barnum. But do you think... I mean, you know, I interviewed George Clooney. I had an interview with him. And I'd always heard people say he was charming.
And I was like, no. I'm sure he's not that charming. And he gave me a five-hour interview. So day went to night. So, you know, yeah, the guy is charming. I said to him, what do you think of running? Because basically the Democrats need an attractive host body to stuff all their issues into that people will be drawn to.
No, I know. I know, but I still think people are drawn to celebrities. Oh, so your interview with Josh Shapiro was great. Oh, thanks. I had never really heard him talk that much. He was so appealing. And that, you know, I was watching it with my sister today, and she said I would vote for him. I mean, that's what the Democrats need.
Yeah, they need someone who could lure people back to their party.
And do you like Gavin, too, no?
Right. And unlike Obama, he was willing to go spar on Fox.
Well, I mean, there are people who think because of Kamala having Beyonce and Taylor and people on her side that Democrats should just stay away from celebrities altogether.
But they've got to find someone. who's alluring and, you know. Charismatic. Yeah. I mean, I thought Josh Shapiro and Gretchen Whitmer would have been a better ticket.
Yeah. He was out front on a lot of things.
Who else do you like?
Yeah, you know, the way he dresses in Congress is quite startling because it was only in the last few years they allowed women not to wear, like they used to be banned for sleeveless.
Yeah, one of my former assistants, who's a big political writer, star now, Ashley Parker, Trump trashed her recently on social, his social. Truth social. Truth social, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. But she went in there one time. I forget if she had on cowboy boots or a sleeveless blouse or something, and they told her, you know, she couldn't.
But, you know, yeah, Washington was very titillated recently because Lauren Boebert, after some big thing, got in a cab with Kid Rock. And also, I was going to ask you, do you have a crush on Cristino, given how you feel about dogs?
They used to be kind of the sexy, fun party, and they're not.
Yeah, I love him, too.
Right, exactly. Yeah, I know what you mean.
Oh, Mark Garagos.
Yeah, who was one of the, what, Susan McDougal's lawyers.
Oh, I love that.
And Mark Thompson, our old CEO.
Exactly. So that's not the mountain anyone's going to die on. We're happy to see them leave, but then you're unraveling the Constitution.
Yeah, Mark Thompson, our old CEO, is now running CNN.
That's another good film noir kind of thing, Double Jeopardy. Have you seen that with Ashley Judd?
Her husband frames her for his own.
murder and she goes to prison but then one of the inmates tells her that because of double jeopardy she can get out and kill her husband and she does right well not quite there's also one called eye of the beholder i love that i explain it he's he falls in love with her because he's looking at yeah i haven't seen it recently but i thought it was really good and atmospheric
He's a great guy. Yeah.
Yeah, I love that plot.
We have to trash someone soon. We love everyone. Oh, you have my picture with Chico. I love that so much.
Yes, I did. Isn't it funny? My mom begged me before that book came out. She goes, please. change it from a question to a declarative sentence meant. She wanted me to call the book Men Are Necessary. I was like, Mom.
Yeah, she wanted me to call it Men Are Necessary. And I said, Mom, you know, they're going to be fine with it. They get that I'm teasing them. And she's like, no, they'll have their feelings hurt. Sure enough, no man would pick up that book. And I realized, no, always listen to your mother. I should have called it Men Are Necessary.
Because you are. Especially you.
No, I like all these weighty quotes.
Oh, my gosh. That was the... That was the end.
Did you ever have a situation like that where someone said one thing and you were just totally turned off?
I remember this. I had this very, very good friend, Michael Kelly, and he had to move to Cincinnati for a couple years to be a reporter, and he didn't know anyone. And he was trying to date, and he finally went out on a date with this really cute girl.
And somehow in the course of the evening when he was ordering wine, he realized she thought that burgundy wine was burgundy because it was colored burgundy. And he said to me, I had to decide if I was going to say anything or I was going to be very, very quiet because I really needed to go home with her. So he was very, very quiet.
But he was an onophile. He loved wine, so I don't think it had a long-term future.
Yeah, that's the right word, right?
That sounds like a Woody Allen line.
Like the end of Annie Hall. They need the eggs.
Yeah, no. I would love to be married.
I think I would be really good at it.
Well, there's a great part in the Al Pacino piece in the book where, you know, I'm pressing him, and he did not like to talk about his love life, and I'm asking him why he never got married, and He said, well, if he could find someone who wouldn't mind living down the block, he might do it.
Didn't Bette Davis or some of these people like Sartre, they had apartments next door, but he wanted someone down the block.
Well, there is one person in the book who's like you and has absolutely no interest in marriage or kids, and that's Ralph Fiennes. And it was interesting to talk to him about that. He's a very interesting combination of... He's a real gentleman, like I went to the wrong restaurant and missed half our interview. And he said, don't worry, we'll do it tomorrow morning at breakfast.
And very few movie stars would do that.
No, but he, you know, he is also has a kind of a hedonistic streak. He's a bit of a libertine. And he said he was the oldest and he raised, you know, Guy in Shakespeare in Love was his brother. And he said he got rejected for Shakespeare in Love because Julia Roberts didn't fancy him. Hmm. But he just has, you know, just no interest.
But you should have him on this show. He's a really fascinating guy. Please.
He's friends with Andy Cohen. And Andy Cohen said he loves all kinds of women, whatever age, whatever shape. Wow. You put a woman in front of him and he can appreciate her. Oh, wow.
Yeah, let's have a party. But I did want to tell you that people keep asking me what Shakespearean character Trump is like, and I finally found a similarity. You know how in Richard III... Richard is very malevolent, but he's funny. He's the hunchback. Yeah, he gets the audience on his side because he's funny. And he walks up to the stage and he tells the audience what bad thing he's about to do.
He brings them in on it, but with humor. And I feel like Trump is like that, you know, and that binds him. Like a lot of audiences love Richard III, even though he's doing terrible things. He wants to kill his nephews and, you know, but... If you bring, if you make them feel like your confidants, you know, that can take you a long way.
Good night, sweet prince.
I'm so happy I didn't faint.
Anything you want to do, that would be fun.
powerful people is that what was the place the grill or what was the place that's like the power i want to go to the power it was like a place called duke seabirds and they were all they were all steak houses of course we had a man are making decisions i mean steak at lunch yes women are over steak at lunch yeah steak and decisions we had our day now men are in charge
went in five minutes i know i was afraid to drink but now
I did a story, it's more of a column, not one of those pieces, but about, remember, I trashed arry at the white house for he was criticizing you for that comment i i trashed the bush white house when they were criticizing you about um you know during the iraq war when or it was sorry it was after 9-11 when oh when they fired me it's so funny maureen you know like
Wow. That's why people love you. People ask me about you all around the world when I travel. World.
Customs agents. Really?
Because people want someone to just tell it straight, not be spinning for one side or the other.
That is a great story.
Oh, I love that, though.
Ireland has changed a lot. You know, they had a gay Indian.
Yeah. Crime minister.
I did one of these pieces on her.
She was great. I mean, she was...
Yeah, I was born there.
No, he was a D.C. police detective who was in charge of Senate security. Got shot. For 20 years. He didn't get shot. He captured the gun of—he ran— from the Senate to the House and tackled and took the gun away from one of the Puerto Rican terrorists.