Maurice

And from a public point of view, Ciarán, it just looks so sleazy.

It looks so corrupt.

And we need the truth, the whole truth.

Well, the question is how much

What's the... Is this the end of the line?

Is this the last one we're going to have?

Now, there's been trouble with payments in RTE for a very long time, going way, way back with Shogun.

Remember the Shogun scandal?

There was these big Jeeps that were being bought and there was talk about how much money was to be paid, accountability, value for money, and how much... They were going back a long, long way.

Well, all the questions to the Stanley Committee, all the questions that the deputies were asking should have been answered and they were not answered because there was a lawyer essentially there at the time or he's a lawyer.

Well, at the end of the day, there's a question of the volume of the salaries, the scale of salaries at RT.

Even today, we've still got people earning more than the GG.

Going forward, that won't be the case.

But there's still that problem of the licence payer paying €160, and then you see these huge, huge, huge payments and redundancy payments that are being given to these people.

And there seems to be a kind of double-jobbing that we had to hold

you know, the whole bogus self-employment thing that was going on.

It looks, even if you accept what you're saying there, Karen, okay, let's accept it for a second, what you're saying is correct.

Let's accept that for a second.

From a public point of view, RTE is toxic.

It looks like a casino, a bank, a place of, you know, where public service, public service broadcasting, what does that mean?