Max Kellerman

Why does this escape people?

If it is very obvious when the person started juicing, and it's in the statistical record, I can look at someone's stats, especially if I can couple it with a sudden and dramatic change in their appearance.

Yes.

That is much more compelling evidence than a receipt from Balco, which could be forged.

but I'm going to ask anyway.

Steroids are human growth hormone.

And he goes, I've never been caught on a test.

Right?

Right.

But bonds, you can forge a receipt from Balco.

What you can't forge is a player in...

you know, 12 weeks or 16 weeks putting on 30 pounds of lean muscle and his forehead bulging.

What you can't forge is a, you know, fake is a guy who's home run to at that ratio in the same ballpark in which he's always played.

No exterior changes.

doubles at the age of 35.

Right.

It doubled.

But Barry Bonds is a Hall of Famer because he was already one of the two or three or four greatest left fielders who ever lived.

He's the first ballot Hall of Famer.

Cause I guess when he went to Toronto, he was in decline.