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And over the next three years, nearly 100 witnesses were called to tell their stories of violence and abuse. So the typical pattern in Sierra Leone would be that a village was captured, some of the women were killed, some were mutilated, others were taken. Typically there would be gang rapes, very forceful gang rapes that often left them with physical injuries.
Ja jos he olisivat onnistuneita, kuten yksi nÀkökulmastamme sanoi, he olisivat otettaneet hÀnet hÀneltÀ. MielestÀni se oli jatkuva rauha. He, jotka eivÀt olleet niin onnistuneita, olisivat jÀtettyÀ rauhaan, kuten valkoja.
You have to really respect the tremendous courage, the tremendous resilience of the people who survived these atrocities. But to get a conviction, Brenda and her team faced a challenge. Because during the 11-year conflict, Charles Taylor had never set foot in Sierra Leone.
Miksi tÀmÀ ihminen on vÀÀrÀnÀ asioita, joita toiset tekevÀt, Sierre Lyonin kanssa? Puhuttiin siitÀ, miten hÀn edistyi ja edistyi, koulutti sotilaitoja, antoi heille turvallisuutta, antoi heille taitoja.
It was basically all denial. Or, yeah, these things happened, but he didn't know about it. Or he tried to do things to stop it. Charles Taylor last year testified denying any association with rapists and murderers. I am none of those, have never been and will never be, whether they think so or not.
Brenda's team focused on claims that Charles Taylor traded with the rebels, giving them arms and ammunition in return for so-called blood diamonds mined in Sierra Leone. But they needed to prove a link in court. He went on a presidential trip to several countries, and we discovered that he had attended a dinner in South Africa as part of this trip, a dinner sponsored by President Nelson Mandela.
And at that dinner was Naomi Campbell. I will speak the truth. The whole truth. And nothing but the truth. The model was called as a witness, but a reluctant one. Are you a bit nervous? No, well I didn't really want to be here, so I was made to be here. So obviously I'm just like wanting to get this over with and get on with my life.
Aikaisemmin Naomi Campbell kertoi, kuinka yöpÀivÀnÀ 1997 hÀneltÀ oli saavutettu ylöspÀivÀn. Tai hÀn kertoi niitÀ rikki nÀyttÀviÀ rikkoja. Mutta hÀn ei tunnustanut, ettÀ se oli Charles Taylor, joka heitÀ lÀhetti. Kun olin yöpÀivÀnÀ, minulla oli rikko minulle. Ja otin rikon. Ja kaksi henkilöÀ olivat siellÀ ja heitin minulle rikon.
But Naomi Campbell said she didn't know who the men were or who'd sent the gift. Do you recall why it is you did not ask them why they were giving this pouch to you? I don't recall. Since 13 years ago I just took them. And it's not abnormal for me to get gifts. I get gifts given to me all the time.
Mutta lisÀksi hÀnet kutsuimme Mia Farrowa, joka oli myös yössÀ. Seuraavan pÀivÀn jÀlkeen Naomi Campbell kertoi, ettÀ hÀn oli saanut nÀmÀ vihreÀt. HÀn sanoi, ettÀ yöllÀ hÀn oli ilmoittunut. Jotkut miehet soittivat kiinni. He olivat lÀhettÀneet Charlesa Taylorista. He olivat anneet hÀnelle ison vihreÀn.
Mutta se oli mielenkiintoista, koska silloin me olimme kutsuneet nÀyttelijöitÀ, jotka olivat kuolemassa, heidÀn perheensÀ kuolemassa, heidÀn elÀmÀnsÀ kuolemassa. Ja jokaisella tapauksella oli jostain ihmisiÀ ja jokaisella ei. Naomi Campbell tuli huomioon, ettÀ jokaisella tapauksella oli jÀrjestelmÀÀ, jossa oli tv-trukkia ulkopuolella, jossa oli tÀmÀ nainen, joka ei ollut koko ajan vahvistunut. Ja silti ihmiset, jotka olivat vahvistuneet, eivÀt saaneet mitÀÀn jÀrjestelmÀÀ.
ViimeisenÀ, marraskuudessa 2011, tutkimus kuului lopullisista argumentteista. TÀstÀ lopulta tuntui, ettÀ olin erittÀin uskomattomassa nÀkökulmasta. Minun mielestÀni tuntui, ettÀ olemme varoittaneet, mitÀ tarvitaan. Mutta taas, en ole jÀsen. En tiedÀ, miten he ajattelevat. Joten aina on hieman huolta. TÀÀllÀ ei ole tarpeeksi taitoja löytÀÀ taitoja. Taylor oli selvÀnnyt, ettÀ hÀn pystyy suorittamaan vaikutuksiaan.
JÀrjestÀjÀt kysyivÀt hÀnestÀ, ettÀ hÀn oli vÀÀrÀssÀ ja vÀÀrÀssÀ 11 asiaa, joita on lopetettu. JÀrjestÀjÀt ovat yhdessÀ vÀÀrÀssÀ.
Charles Taylor had become the first former head of state convicted by an international court since the Nuremberg trials of Nazis after World War II. In 2012 he was cleared of giving the orders but was sentenced to 50 years in jail for aiding and abetting crimes against humanity. I thought 50 years was a good sentence. I didn't want Charles Taylor and still don't want Charles Taylor to ever be released from prison. And I'm very proud of the way that we conducted the case.
Oliko se justiassa?
Voit poistaa rauhoja, mutta et voi muuttaa muotoa, eikÀ voida poistaa naisista ja naisista vaikutusta heidÀn elÀmÀnsÀ. Voit ei voida tehdÀ ihmisen tÀysin kokonaan, mutta voit pysyÀ ihmisiÀ huolta. Ja lopulta luulen, ettÀ pysyÀ johtajia huolta vahvistaa sitÀ, ettÀ voimassa ja oikeudessa tulee huolta. Tuo tapaukset oikeudesta tuli tÀssÀ tapauksessa.
The chief prosecutor in the trial of Charles Taylor, Brenda Hollis, was speaking to Jane Wilkinson. Charles Taylor was sentenced to 50 years in prison for aiding and abetting crimes against humanity. As we heard, the wars in Sierra Leone and Liberia were fueled by the desire for natural diamonds. But there have been attempts to bypass that market through the creation of synthetic diamonds.
James Evans is a gemologist and the author of the history of synthetic ruby. So tell us first, James, about the Kimberley process. What is the Kimberley process? The Kimberley process was established in 2003 by the UN. So that's shortly after the civil war in Sierra Leone.
It's an attempt to ensure conflict diamonds don't enter the marketplace. And in a way it's a form of self-regulation. So countries that produce natural diamonds, they ensure that their producers aren't selling anything untoward. And it's backed by what's called the system of warranties. And that's created by an organization called the World Diamond Council.
Ja periaatteessa, mitÀ tapahtuu, on se, ettÀ diamond-valuutien kohdalla, joka kohdalla, kun diamondit muuttuvat, ne ovat yhdessÀ pÀÀttÀneet, ettÀ nÀmÀ diamondit ovat luonnollisia. Ne eivÀt ole kÀyttÀneet, jotta ne voidaan rahoittaa, ja ne ovat yhdessÀ Yhdysvalloissa. Onko se toiminut? Onko se onnistunut?