Max Read

So a website gets created called Zizians.info that's a sort of warning website about interacting with Ziz, about... Ziz as a potential cult leader, what they call an info hazard, which is like somebody who has knowledge that if you know it, it might drive you insane or compel you to do bad things.

So a website gets created called Zizians.info that's a sort of warning website about interacting with Ziz, about... Ziz as a potential cult leader, what they call an info hazard, which is like somebody who has knowledge that if you know it, it might drive you insane or compel you to do bad things.

So a website gets created called Zizians.info that's a sort of warning website about interacting with Ziz, about... Ziz as a potential cult leader, what they call an info hazard, which is like somebody who has knowledge that if you know it, it might drive you insane or compel you to do bad things.

On the side of the Zizians, this is an escalation in the sense that they seem to not have expected to get the cops called on them. And certainly they didn't expect to have like a full militarized police force come through and beat them up. So all four of the Zizians are eventually able to post bail, but almost immediately they file a lawsuit against Sonoma County for civil rights violations.

On the side of the Zizians, this is an escalation in the sense that they seem to not have expected to get the cops called on them. And certainly they didn't expect to have like a full militarized police force come through and beat them up. So all four of the Zizians are eventually able to post bail, but almost immediately they file a lawsuit against Sonoma County for civil rights violations.

On the side of the Zizians, this is an escalation in the sense that they seem to not have expected to get the cops called on them. And certainly they didn't expect to have like a full militarized police force come through and beat them up. So all four of the Zizians are eventually able to post bail, but almost immediately they file a lawsuit against Sonoma County for civil rights violations.

From this point on, I think you can see a more militant, if I can use that word, a more militant Zizianism.

From this point on, I think you can see a more militant, if I can use that word, a more militant Zizianism.

From this point on, I think you can see a more militant, if I can use that word, a more militant Zizianism.

Coming up after the break, Max returns to tell us what a more militant Zizianism led to.

Coming up after the break, Max returns to tell us what a more militant Zizianism led to.

Coming up after the break, Max returns to tell us what a more militant Zizianism led to.

This is Today Explained. We're back with Max Reed of the Reed-Max Substack. Max, you said in 2019, this altercation in Sonoma and some arrests turned the Zizians more militant. What happens next?

This is Today Explained. We're back with Max Reed of the Reed-Max Substack. Max, you said in 2019, this altercation in Sonoma and some arrests turned the Zizians more militant. What happens next?

This is Today Explained. We're back with Max Reed of the Reed-Max Substack. Max, you said in 2019, this altercation in Sonoma and some arrests turned the Zizians more militant. What happens next?

We're in the pandemic at this point. People aren't really gathering in person. Things are moving slowly. Ziz and the three people she was arrested with have court hearings, but they're slipping by. We don't hear a lot about them. There's not a lot of record in the sense of blog posts or message board posts.

We're in the pandemic at this point. People aren't really gathering in person. Things are moving slowly. Ziz and the three people she was arrested with have court hearings, but they're slipping by. We don't hear a lot about them. There's not a lot of record in the sense of blog posts or message board posts.

We're in the pandemic at this point. People aren't really gathering in person. Things are moving slowly. Ziz and the three people she was arrested with have court hearings, but they're slipping by. We don't hear a lot about them. There's not a lot of record in the sense of blog posts or message board posts.

In 2021, Ziz and one of the other arrestees, a woman named Gwen Danielson, skip bail and fail to show up to the court dates that have been assigned to them. A few months later, their lawyer attests in a filing that Ziz has died in a boating accident, which is not, in the end, surprising given what we know that she lived on a houseboat.

In 2021, Ziz and one of the other arrestees, a woman named Gwen Danielson, skip bail and fail to show up to the court dates that have been assigned to them. A few months later, their lawyer attests in a filing that Ziz has died in a boating accident, which is not, in the end, surprising given what we know that she lived on a houseboat.