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Mazviita Chirimuuta

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
363 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Abstraction & Idealization: AI's Plato Problem [Mazviita Chirimuuta]

I've enjoyed it.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

One of the answers that might seem obvious to people is that we pursue science because we're curious.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

We just want to know how the world works.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

We want to reveal, discover the underlying principles of the universe, which apply in all cases.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

Switching off the idea that you're just interested in nature for its own sake out of curiosity and saying, okay, how can we engineer these systems to actually do things that we want?

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

getting them to behave in artificial ways if those simplifications sort of allow you to achieve your technological goals there's no in principle problem with oversimplification if you're gonna say i'm not just interested in nature for its own sake i just want applied science

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

Seeing that as a philosopher, I thought, that's Plato.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

Because Francois precisely says, we have the world of appearance.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

It's complicated.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

It looks intractable.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

It's messy.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

But underlying that real reality is neat, mathematical, decomposable.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

It's not...

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

an argument that AI is impossible so much as why does it seem so possible, so inevitable to people?

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

And saying that what I'm arguing is that if you look at the history of the development of the life sciences of psychology, there are certain shifts towards a much more mechanistic understanding of both what life is and what the mind is.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

which are very congenial to thinking that whatever is going on in animals like us in terms of the processes which lead to cognition, they're just mechanisms anyway.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

So why couldn't you put them into an actual machine and have that actual machine do what we do?

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

So with all of that mechanistic history in the background, AI could seem very inevitable.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

But if that mechanistic hypothesis is actually wrong, then

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

These claims for the inevitability of a biological like AI would not actually be well founded, but we could be subject to a kind of cultural historical illusion that this is just going to happen.