Megan Garber

It does.

It really does.

And just listening to that list, I found myself getting stressed out.

I felt my heartbeat raising.

It really does.

You know, I don't think this is new.

Politics and culture have always been intertwined with each other, have always been kind of muddled and entangled, you know, in ways that kind of belie the—

Politics here, culture there, kind of framing that we usually have.

But I think things have become so much more extreme in recent years.

And it is hard to think of anything really in pop culture that doesn't somehow also become political in the end.

I think to some extent, yes.

And I think definitely with Hockeygate, if we can call it that, that was definitely, I think, caused by Trump himself in the sense of he is someone who does not recognize the traditional division between culture and politics.

And to prove that point, to prove that point, here with us tonight is a group of winners who just made the entire nation proud.

And he's someone who has a very specific idea of what it means to be presidential, which is very different from what previous presidents often had.

And I think also, yes, he likes to be the center of attention and likes to start a scandal, even in situations where one probably did not need to be started.

So it is Trump, but it is more than Trump.

I think also a lot of the trends that we're seeing right now have to do with basic changes and huge changes in technology.

You know, when you were listing all of these cultural and political events, I was thinking of Marshall McLuhan.

The Canadian scholar.

Do you know him?