Mel Browne

So I think finding ways like this to do it.

And if a partner won't engage in a curious conversation, if a partner won't engage in something like best yet, that would be a red flag for me to say what's going on with them that they won't engage in money.

And it would be having the courage to have that conversation to say,

it's not okay that you won't talk to me about this.

Can you tell me about your reasons that you're reluctant to?

And if they still won't, then you've got to speak to a professional.

You both go into a therapist or something like that.

Because financial, for me, that's a version of financial coercive control.

Whereas if your partner refuses to engage with you about money, they're controlling what you're able to do financially.

It's a version of control.

So you've got to go and get that seen to really early on or when that red flag erupts for you.

Such a hard conversation.

Yeah.

So often what will happen is one of two things, either the partner's doing it together from the get-go or they're

So they're sorry, they're doing it together from the get go or one of usually the woman joins and she shares exercises with her partner and they'll be like, oh, yeah, that's interesting.

That's curious.

But it's only when she starts to make real strides

or makes real change in their finances, that the partner goes, oh, that's interesting.

I want to go and play with that too.

So either when they pull out the financial strategic plan and they're really starting to work on that, when they're calling their home loan provider and going to their partner and saying, well, I just knocked 0.5% off the home loan, you know, what have you done?