Melissa Jeltsin
Appearances
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Throat-Slitting Evangelical Minister of Jamaica
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Throat-Slitting Evangelical Minister of Jamaica
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Throat-Slitting Evangelical Minister of Jamaica
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Throat-Slitting Evangelical Minister of Jamaica
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Throat-Slitting Evangelical Minister of Jamaica
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Throat-Slitting Evangelical Minister of Jamaica
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Throat-Slitting Evangelical Minister of Jamaica
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zar. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: The Throat-Slitting Evangelical Minister of Jamaica
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: Part One: Dr. Oz: Why 'America's Doctor' Is A Bastard
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: Part One: Dr. Oz: Why 'America's Doctor' Is A Bastard
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: Part One: Dr. Oz: Why 'America's Doctor' Is A Bastard
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: Part One: Dr. Oz: Why 'America's Doctor' Is A Bastard
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: Part One: Dr. Oz: Why 'America's Doctor' Is A Bastard
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: Part One: Dr. Oz: Why 'America's Doctor' Is A Bastard
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: Part One: Dr. Oz: Why 'America's Doctor' Is A Bastard
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: Part One: Dr. Oz: Why 'America's Doctor' Is A Bastard
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: Bruno Bettelheim: The Worst Psycho-therapist
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: Bruno Bettelheim: The Worst Psycho-therapist
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: Bruno Bettelheim: The Worst Psycho-therapist
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: Bruno Bettelheim: The Worst Psycho-therapist
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: Bruno Bettelheim: The Worst Psycho-therapist
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: Bruno Bettelheim: The Worst Psycho-therapist
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: Bruno Bettelheim: The Worst Psycho-therapist
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: Bruno Bettelheim: The Worst Psycho-therapist
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: Carl Schmitt: The Mind Behind Modern Fascism
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zar. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: Carl Schmitt: The Mind Behind Modern Fascism
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: Carl Schmitt: The Mind Behind Modern Fascism
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: Carl Schmitt: The Mind Behind Modern Fascism
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: Carl Schmitt: The Mind Behind Modern Fascism
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: Carl Schmitt: The Mind Behind Modern Fascism
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: Carl Schmitt: The Mind Behind Modern Fascism
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: Carl Schmitt: The Mind Behind Modern Fascism
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Three: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Three: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
Behind the Bastards
Part Three: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talina Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Three: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
Behind the Bastards
Part Three: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Three: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Three: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Three: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
Behind the Bastards
Part Three: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Three: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Three: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
Behind the Bastards
Part Three: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: How The U.S. Government Used Aliens To Destroy a Man's Mind
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talina Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: How The U.S. Government Used Aliens To Destroy a Man's Mind
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: How The U.S. Government Used Aliens To Destroy a Man's Mind
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: How The U.S. Government Used Aliens To Destroy a Man's Mind
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talina Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: How The U.S. Government Used Aliens To Destroy a Man's Mind
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: How The U.S. Government Used Aliens To Destroy a Man's Mind
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: How The U.S. Government Used Aliens To Destroy a Man's Mind
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part One: How The U.S. Government Used Aliens To Destroy a Man's Mind
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: Part Two: Dr. Oz: Why 'America's Doctor' Is A Bastard
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: Part Two: Dr. Oz: Why 'America's Doctor' Is A Bastard
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: Part Two: Dr. Oz: Why 'America's Doctor' Is A Bastard
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
CZM Rewind: Part Two: Dr. Oz: Why 'America's Doctor' Is A Bastard
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How Tainted Human Blood Became A Major U.S. Export
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How Tainted Human Blood Became A Major U.S. Export
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How Tainted Human Blood Became A Major U.S. Export
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How Tainted Human Blood Became A Major U.S. Export
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How Tainted Human Blood Became A Major U.S. Export
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How Tainted Human Blood Became A Major U.S. Export
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How Tainted Human Blood Became A Major U.S. Export
I want to take over the world and just leave this place better than I found it.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How Tainted Human Blood Became A Major U.S. Export
Oh my gosh. This is amazing.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: What's New With Andrew Tate?
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zar. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: What's New With Andrew Tate?
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: What's New With Andrew Tate?
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: What's New With Andrew Tate?
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Carl Schmitt: The Mind Behind Modern Fascism
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Carl Schmitt: The Mind Behind Modern Fascism
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Carl Schmitt: The Mind Behind Modern Fascism
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Carl Schmitt: The Mind Behind Modern Fascism
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Carl Schmitt: The Mind Behind Modern Fascism
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Carl Schmitt: The Mind Behind Modern Fascism
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Carl Schmitt: The Mind Behind Modern Fascism
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Carl Schmitt: The Mind Behind Modern Fascism
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Four: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talina Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Four: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Four: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Four: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Four: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talina Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Four: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Four: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Four: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zar. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How Lawrence of Arabia Invented Modern War
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How The U.S. Government Used Aliens To Destroy a Man's Mind
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How The U.S. Government Used Aliens To Destroy a Man's Mind
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How The U.S. Government Used Aliens To Destroy a Man's Mind
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: How The U.S. Government Used Aliens To Destroy a Man's Mind
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Space Magic from Venus: A Literary Odyssey
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talina Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Space Magic from Venus: A Literary Odyssey
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Space Magic from Venus: A Literary Odyssey
You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zarr 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Space Magic from Venus: A Literary Odyssey
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Space Magic from Venus: A Literary Odyssey
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talina Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Space Magic from Venus: A Literary Odyssey
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Space Magic from Venus: A Literary Odyssey
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Space Magic from Venus: A Literary Odyssey
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Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Space Magic from Venus: A Literary Odyssey
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Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Space Magic from Venus: A Literary Odyssey
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zar. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Space Magic from Venus: A Literary Odyssey
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Space Magic from Venus: A Literary Odyssey
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Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift
It's April 2020. A woman announces on Facebook that she has COVID and won't be seeking medical attention.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift
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Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift
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Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zar. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift
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Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift
It's April 2020. A woman announces on Facebook that she has COVID and won't be seeking medical attention.
Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift
Listen to What Happened to Talena Zarr on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Behind the Bastards
Behind the Bastards Presents: Better Offline
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Behind the Bastards Presents: Better Offline
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Behind the Bastards
Behind the Bastards Presents: Better Offline
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Behind the Bastards Presents: Better Offline
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Behind the Bastards
Behind the Bastards Presents: Better Offline
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Behind the Bastards
Behind the Bastards Presents: Better Offline
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 3 - Andrea Dunlop in Conversation
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 3 - Andrea Dunlop in Conversation
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 3 - Andrea Dunlop in Conversation
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 3 - Andrea Dunlop in Conversation
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 3 - Andrea Dunlop in Conversation
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 3 - Andrea Dunlop in Conversation
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 6 - Molly’s Listener Essay
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 6 - Molly’s Listener Essay
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 6 - Molly’s Listener Essay
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 6 - Molly’s Listener Essay
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
S4: EP 1 — One of the Good Ones
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
S4: EP 1 — One of the Good Ones
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Betrayal: Season 4
S4: EP 1 — One of the Good Ones
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
S4: EP 1 — One of the Good Ones
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Betrayal: Season 4
S4: EP 1 — One of the Good Ones
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talina Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
S4: EP 1 — One of the Good Ones
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 2 - Andrea Dunlop’s Story
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 2 - Andrea Dunlop’s Story
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zar. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 2 - Andrea Dunlop’s Story
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 2 - Andrea Dunlop’s Story
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 2 - Andrea Dunlop’s Story
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zar. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 2 - Andrea Dunlop’s Story
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 2 - Andrea Dunlop’s Story
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 2 - Andrea Dunlop’s Story
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 21 - Angelique Pt. 1
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 21 - Angelique Pt. 1
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 21 - Angelique Pt. 1
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 21 - Angelique Pt. 1
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 21 - Angelique Pt. 1
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 21 - Angelique Pt. 1
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 21 - Angelique Pt. 1
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 21 - Angelique Pt. 1
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 5 - Melissa’s Listener Essay
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 5 - Melissa’s Listener Essay
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 5 - Melissa’s Listener Essay
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 5 - Melissa’s Listener Essay
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 5 - Melissa’s Listener Essay
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 5 - Melissa’s Listener Essay
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 1 - Behind the Scenes Q&A
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 1 - Behind the Scenes Q&A
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 1 - Behind the Scenes Q&A
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 1 - Behind the Scenes Q&A
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 4 - The Science of Storytelling for Trauma Recovery
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 4 - The Science of Storytelling for Trauma Recovery
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 4 - The Science of Storytelling for Trauma Recovery
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 4 - The Science of Storytelling for Trauma Recovery
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 4 - The Science of Storytelling for Trauma Recovery
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 4 - The Science of Storytelling for Trauma Recovery
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Betrayal: Season 4
S3: BONUS EP 1 — An Update from Stacey and Tyler
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
S3: BONUS EP 1 — An Update from Stacey and Tyler
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Betrayal: Season 4
S3: BONUS EP 1 — An Update from Stacey and Tyler
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
S3: BONUS EP 1 — An Update from Stacey and Tyler
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Betrayal: Season 4
S3: BONUS EP 1 — An Update from Stacey and Tyler
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talina Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
S3: BONUS EP 1 — An Update from Stacey and Tyler
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 31 – Jan
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zar. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 31 – Jan
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 31 – Jan
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: EP 31 – Jan
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: Nobody Should Believe Me — S5 E1
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: Nobody Should Believe Me — S5 E1
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: Nobody Should Believe Me — S5 E1
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: Nobody Should Believe Me — S5 E1
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zar. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: Nobody Should Believe Me — S5 E1
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: Nobody Should Believe Me — S5 E1
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: Nobody Should Believe Me — S5 E1
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Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: Nobody Should Believe Me — S5 E1
Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
Bone Valley
Introducing - Absolute: Taser Incorporated, Teaser
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Bone Valley
Introducing - Absolute: Taser Incorporated, Teaser
I kept just kind of asking everybody, anyone else think this is strange? You'll notice that about me. I don't lurk. I'm out there. I'm an action kind of girl. You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait.
Bone Valley
Introducing - Absolute: Taser Incorporated, Teaser
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Murder on the Towpath with Soledad O’Brien
Bad Luck, Mary
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
Murder on the Towpath with Soledad O’Brien
Bad Luck, Mary
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
Murder on the Towpath with Soledad O’Brien
Bad Luck, Mary
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
Murder on the Towpath with Soledad O’Brien
Bad Luck, Mary
I didn't want to be talked out of this plan. After I post this, I am turning off my phone for exactly this reason.
What Happened to Talina Zar
The Mattress - Talina Zar E4
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What Happened to Talina Zar
The Mattress - Talina Zar E4
Talena's friends in Wagner are growing distrustful of Corey, and so are the online sleuths.
What Happened to Talina Zar
The Mattress - Talina Zar E4
According to the documents they can access, six years earlier, Corey was arrested and charged in Madison, Wisconsin, for using someone else's credit card.
What Happened to Talina Zar
The Mattress - Talina Zar E4
This discovery is interesting, but the online sleuths know enough from their true crime shows that a past charge for a nonviolent crime doesn't prove anything.
What Happened to Talina Zar
The Mattress - Talina Zar E4
So they keep digging, developing a basic profile for Corey. They learn that she grew up on a dairy farm in Wisconsin with her mother, father, and one brother. And since she left home, it seems as though she's traveled a fair bit. They find addresses for her in at least four states.
What Happened to Talina Zar
The Mattress - Talina Zar E4
Not afraid to cold call strangers, Jess identifies two ex-husbands and reaches out. First up, David Sachs, who Corey married in the 1980s. His father owned a casino in mob-era Las Vegas. Jess has a few conversations with him, and he offers some color about Corey, like the fact she'd once worked in a coroner's office, but he hasn't seen her in decades. Her second husband is more helpful.
What Happened to Talina Zar
The Mattress - Talina Zar E4
Alexander Adams is a Celtic musician who Corey met in Oregon when she was an event coordinator. They spent 14 years together, traveling the country for gigs and releasing music online. Alexander Adams, or Alec as he goes by, is receptive to Jess's questioning. He's in Wisconsin, but he's heard about Talena's disappearance and wants to help however he can.
What Happened to Talina Zar
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He tells Jess some of their backstory, filling in gaps in her research. Alec is in the Renaissance Festival circuit. In fact, he'd met Marty slash Wolfie at the annual Oklahoma Renaissance Festival some years back. Alec tells Jess that Marty loved his music and asked him to come to his private event, Gorefest. Corey went too.
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It's here at Gorefest in the early 2000s where Talena first meets Corey. The online sleuths are developing a better picture of who Corey is from their conversations with Marty, Corey's ex-husbands, and the research into her past. And then they find something huge.
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One day, Nicole, Talena's friend in Tennessee, notices that Corey is selling things that had been in Talena's house.
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Aside from just some trinkets and collectibles, they saw some of Talena's most treasured belongings for sale.
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Nicole comes up with a plan to get the items back without Corey catching on.
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Nicole's cousin wins the bid. Corey packs up the wedding ring and some of Tom's military medals and ships it off. Nicole's cousin then forwards the package to her. Armed with this evidence, Nicole contacts the cops. So does Jess. But the response they get is not as enthusiastic as they hoped.
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It's been 22 days since Talena's cryptic Facebook post. From the perspective of the online sleuths, the cops aren't doing anything.
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But Jess and the others aren't privy to what's going on behind the scenes. On April 29th, Detective Joel Weber and a colleague go to Talena's property, a brown, rustic lake house set back from the road. Corey invites them in and gives them a tour. It's the first time law enforcement has gone inside the house. She shows them around the living areas and the bedrooms where she and Talena slept.
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Here's how Detective Weber later described his visit.
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Corey shows Weber around the yard, the garage, and then he leaves. Meanwhile, the sheriff's office is being inundated with tips from friends, locals, psychics, and the online sleuths. And a large number of them point at Corey. About a week later, Detective Weber asks Corey to come back into the station to address some of the rumors that have been circulating.
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This is Greg Thompson, the local handyman who did small jobs for Talena. When Corey moved into Talena's house, fresh off a separation from her husband, she came with a menagerie of animals, both big and small.
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Here's a recreation of parts of their conversation.
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It seems that Corey knows about Jess and the Find Talina Zarr Facebook group. She's been lurking online.
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Detective Weber starts asking Corey about some of the tips his office has received, beginning with questions about Corey's criminal record.
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Corey explains that a number of years ago, she and her then-husband, Alexander Adams, the Celtic musician, moved to Middleton, Wisconsin, where her mom lives.
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Corey tells Detective Weber that she became good friends with a man who lived next door. And one day, this neighbor gave Corey his wife's credit card to use so she could get some groceries and gas. He said Corey could pay him back later.
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Corey says at first she was booked for a misdemeanor, but the wife was making a lot of fuss, and so they elevated the charges to a felony. Ultimately, she says, it never went to trial. She got two years probation. It was all a big misunderstanding.
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Corey reminds Weber that legally she's in charge of Talena's estate in the event of Talena's death. Weber responds that it's really too early for her to be taking on that role.
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I like to imagine that Weber takes a dramatic pause here, looks Corey in the eye, has a little staring contest, then looks down at his notes. Weber switches gears, brings up something his deputies mentioned.
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Talena was a huge animal lover, and she welcomed Cory's cats and dogs into her home. The larger animals that couldn't fit were placed with her neighbor and house cleaner named Billy Schiltz.
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Corey says she sold it to a friend of a friend for $1,000. Weber asks if she has some sort of receipt, and Corey says she's sure she signed something, but he gave her cash, and actually, trailers don't have to be registered in Oklahoma, so there's no official paper trail.
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Corey seems frustrated by the line of questioning. Why is Weber kowtowing to these nosy internet hacks with nothing better to do?
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Detective Weber adds, if the online sleuths start hassling her, she should reach out to the sheriff's department for help. He too seems a little fed up by their persistence.
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During the interview, which lasts more than two hours, Corey agrees to do anything to help clear her name, including allowing the sheriffs into the house to test for bloodstains.
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And without prompting, she also offers to take a polygraph to rule her out as a suspect.
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Next episode on what happened to Talena Zarr. The amateur investigation starts to take its toll on Jess.
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And the police obtain evidence that throws the timeline of Talena's disappearance into question.
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What Happened to Talena Zarr is a production of iHeart Podcasts. It's written, reported, and hosted by me, Melissa Jeltsin, with writing and story editing by Lauren Hansen. Our executive producer is Ryan Murdoch. For iHeart Podcasts, executive producers are Jason English and Carl Cadel. Fact-checking by Savannah Hughley. Zoe Denkla is our associate producer. Jeremy Thal is our editor.
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Original music by Aaron Kaufman, with additional music by Jeremy Thal and Gideon Crevichet. Additional sound design by Marita Speer. Episodes are mixed and mastered by Carl Cato. Voice acting by Lizzie Gore, Chris Ferry, Stephanie Frame, Pete Monica, and Molly Maslin. Our logo is designed by Ido Moore. Thanks so much for listening.
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Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
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From iHeart Podcasts, I'm Melissa Jeltsin, and this is What Happened to Talina Zarr.
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About a week after Talena disappears, her friend Eris stops by her house and meets with her roommate, Corey. The purpose of Eris's visit is twofold. She's dropping off some meat that Talena had ordered and also picking up a mattress of Talena's, which had been promised to her son. She's just moved into a new house, and Talena had been instrumental in helping to furnish it.
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Corey meets Eris at the door, but doesn't invite her in. She's worried that the virus could still be lingering inside and doesn't want Eris to get sick.
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Standing on the front porch, Eris asks about the mattress and learns that it's gone.
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Burning Talena's bed in the backyard strikes Eris as an extreme reaction to COVID. But then again, so is the decision to shut down businesses and schools. I mean, people were spraying their groceries with Lysol before touching them. It was a weird time. Luckily, Corey says there's another mattress she can take instead. And so, Aris and her husband load it up.
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Before they leave, Aris brings Corey the sausage meat.
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Not long after, Greg bumped into Corey in town.
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The two compare notes and theories for a few minutes, and then Corey asks Greg for some help at the house.
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Later that day, Greg drives over to Talena and Corey's.
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Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
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Greg loads his trailer with the metal bed frame and heads towards the recycling center.
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I mean, it was just really, really weird things were happening. This is Rachel, another Wagner friend of Talena's.
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There's a pretty big group of people in Wagner looking for Talena now. Rachel, Aris, Greg and his wife, Marty, a.k.a. Wolfie, and his wife Lori, as well as other neighbors, even Talena's hairdresser, Kim. They put up flyers and organize a vigil.
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The thing about Corey is she's a recent transplant. She's been living with Talena for less than a year. And the Wagner friends, they start to have the same nagging feeling. How well did any of them really know her?
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There was really only one person in town who had a longstanding relationship with Corey. That was Marty Wolfie. They'd met more than a decade earlier at Gorefest.
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With suspicions raised, Eris looks back over her text messages with Talena before she disappeared. And she starts to think, some of these messages don't sound like Talena. Talena had reached out to Eris on March 28th and asked her to swing by for the mattress. But at the last minute, Talena canceled.
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A number of Talena's friends are also questioning the legitimacy of Talena's final Facebook post. Like Rachel, who was skeptical about it from the moment she read it.
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Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
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I'm looking at a social media account that Talena created. In her bio, she describes herself and her husband Tom, a.k.a. Master Zarius.
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This is a dramatization of some of Talena's writing on FetLife, a dating and social media site for people interested in fetish and BDSM. Picture Facebook, but with dick pics and leather. If you're curious, it's not safe for work, unless your work is making a podcast about all of this. I was able to see Talena's profile simply by signing up for an account.
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As far as I can tell, there was a time when Talena was a prolific FetLife user. She connected with new friends, found events to attend, and shared a lot of personal writing. Although FetLife is primarily a sexual forum, there's not much on her page about sex at all. Most of what she shared was overwhelmingly wholesome, little essays focused on the banality of everyday life.
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And people would respond with kind comments. This was clearly her chosen community, where she felt safe to be herself.
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Talena revealed a lot about her life, her insecurities, her ongoing weight loss journey.
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Reading through these essays, I got a real feel for Talena's personality. She's spunky and adventurous. In one post, she talks about skydiving with her niece. But she's also not afraid to be vulnerable.
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Talena wrote a lot about her relationship with her husband, Tom, who she refers to as Master Zarius, or just Master.
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I'm not sure exactly how or when Talena and Tom met, except that they both served in the military, and by 2004, they were living together in Indiana. Talena was 38, Tom 46, and it's possible that it was Tom who introduced her to Gore. According to his own posts on FetLife, he discovered the books in his youth, and they made a big impact on him. Here's a dramatization of Tom's writing.
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According to her profile, Talena had been in BDSM-type relationships since she was 18 years old. But with Tom, she moved into something different, a master-slave relationship that required her submission to him 24-7.
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They lived strictly according to Gorian principles, which meant that Tom was in charge of all decisions and Talena yielded control absolutely to her husband.
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For most people, me included, the word slavery does not have any positive connotations. Wars have been waged to abolish it. Generations of people have worked to ensure no one endures such a fate. And here is someone voluntarily living this way. Honestly, I find it hard to wrap my head around. And yet, the way Talena described it, their relationship sounded more nuanced than I had expected.
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Talena freely shared the inner workings of her relationship with the gore community and over time became an expert, someone who guided others new to the lifestyle. I discovered from digging through her old posts that at some point she actually began formally teaching classes with Tom on how to be in a dominant-submissive relationship.
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Here's a description of a class they taught in 2013 called Formal Dinner Service, where slaves were taught how to serve food while naked.
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In my hands, I hold a slim paperback novel titled The Tarnsman of Gore. Published in 1966 by author John Norman, it's the first in a sprawling series of fantasy novels set on a counter-Earth. Here's the blurb from the back cover.
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Deep diving into the gore series, the subculture that has cropped up around it, and Talena's embrace of its principles, I had so many questions. The most pressing being, why would someone so smart, self-aware, and opinionated like Talena want to engage in a dynamic like this? Don't get me wrong, there's a part of me that understands the allure of ceding control.
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There are plenty of days where I feel so burned out that I don't want to decide anything, what to eat or what to wear or even what show to put on to decompress. But as a woman, wife, and mom, equity in my household is really important to me. My partner and I deliberately strive to share the mental and physical loads of life. Play acting these roles for kink and pleasure in the bedroom, I get that.
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But to live within this dynamic where the male partner always has the final say, it goes against every fiber of my being. Why would someone desire this?
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This is Julie Fennell, a sociologist and longtime member of the BDSM community who studies gender and sexuality. She's the author of Please Scream Quietly, A Story of Kink.
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Julie told me that people who choose to live as submissives are oftentimes healthy, well-adjusted, and self-confident, making the choice out of free will. But she acknowledges that's not the case for everyone.
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There's a stereotype that people who are into BDSM must have had bad experiences in their childhood that led them down this path, and that BDSM is a way to grapple with or relive those traumas. And maybe in some cases that's true, but as Julie explained it, many others just like the sensation of a whip on their skin or being tied up with ropes.
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As she said, not everything has to be pathologized. Julie pointed out that a big draw of BDSM is the community aspect, finding others who don't judge you for who you are. Beyond online spaces like FetLife, it's not uncommon for BDSMers to congregate in person, whether that's at nightclubs, backyard barbecues, or dungeons.
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I get that. But is the gore community beautiful? I have limited insight, but the conversations I observed in gore spaces were pretty misogynistic. In one Discord forum I joined, the women, slaves, were constantly talked down to and seemed unable to share their opinions freely. Their names had to be in lowercase letters and they couldn't even talk about themselves in the first person.
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She instead of I. It didn't take long for me to get kicked out of the forum for simply asking one of the women what it was like to identify as a slave. This Gorian culture, I observed, it seemed to me to be a cover for old-fashioned beliefs about the superiority of men.
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Gorian philosophy is an outlier in the BDSM world. Julie says that's because gore really goes against the current understanding of gender, which is far more fluid and dynamic. She mentioned a survey she conducted among BDSMers, asking them if they agreed with the statement, I believe that men are naturally dominant and women are naturally submissive. Only 10% did.
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This book, it's not the type of fiction I typically gravitate towards. It's giving pulpy romance novel meets planetary sci-fi vibes. On the cover is a suggestive illustration. A shirtless, muscular man brandishes a sharp weapon, his stance exuding dominance. Below him, a topless woman kneels, her head bowed in submission, her hands bound behind her back.
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Gore gets a laugh. The sci-fi elements, the arcane beliefs. We're so far past women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. But that doesn't mean it's harmless.
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Giving up your bodily autonomy, it can make you vulnerable to abuse, to being in dangerous situations, which made me wonder, was Talena ever in harm's way? There was one essay she wrote that gave me the shivers.
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As a reporter who has spent a decade writing about domestic violence, this story raises all the alarm bells. But I asked Julie what she made of it. She tells it as this story of like, that she was grateful to be reminded of, she was happy that he cared enough about it that he would punish her. and put her back in her place. But I've spent my career writing about domestic violence.
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And so for me, it's hard to read that essay and not see it as abuse. And like, I've seen a lot of victims of domestic violence really come up with really creative ways to justify the behavior and make sense of it in their own relationship.
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Looming in the distance, a warrior rides a massive, savage-looking bird. I read the first book for research purposes, but honestly, it was a struggle. Listening as an audiobook on double speed helped.
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Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
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After finding out about Talena's disappearance from a Facebook post, it doesn't take Jess long to connect Talena to the Gorian subculture.
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Scrolling through Talena's Facebook, Jess comes across a post from January 2020, just a few months before Talena goes missing. It's a photo of Talena's new Oklahoma driver's license, along with her story of dealing with the bureaucracy of legally changing her name.
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The gore series, spelled G-O-R, starts off pretty tame, following a British professor abducted from Earth and forced into the life of a warrior on gore. Gore is different from Earth in a lot of ways. Fantastical creatures, homestones that hold mythical powers for different clans, that sort of thing. Plus, there's your typical array of human activities.
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So right before Talena disappeared, she legally changed her name. And not just her last name, both of her given names. She went from Jana Lovick to Talena Galloway. Galloway was Tom's last name. Even though they never formally married and Tom had been dead for over two years, carrying on his memory in this way seemed important to her.
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And the name Talena, she'd been using that first name for years amongst friends and family, according to the petition she filed with the state. Online, she used the handle Talena Zar for her social media accounts. Jess isn't sure where Zar comes from, but Talena, it appears she'd taken it directly from the Gore books. The gore world is one Jess knows nothing about, but she's willing to learn.
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And how many did you read? I think probably 10. While the rest of the country is exploring new hobbies during quarantine, Jess is getting a mini education in BDSM and gore culture. And from what she learns, it seems like a subculture where women could easily be taken advantage of, hurt, or even killed. Jess knows that Talena's late husband Tom couldn't have been involved in her disappearance.
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But what about the other men in the Gorg community? Men who saw women as property. Men who were not used to hearing the word no.
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Jess and the internet sleuths start wondering, is their main source, Talena's friend Marty, also a Gorian? For one, there's that photo where he referred to Talena as another of his wives. And then there's his unusual nickname, Wolf or Wolfie.
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Still, Jess is not afraid to ask Marty, Wolf, pointed questions about Gore.
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Plundering, nomadic wandering, kidnapping, wars. But the most notable thing is that men on Gor can own female slaves. They're called Kajira. They wear collars and have no rights. These women are considered akin to pets.
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As the COVID shutdown stretches from days to weeks, Marty lets down his guard, opens up about Gore life. He eventually explains to Jess that Talena and Tom and Marty and his wife were all in a Gorian family together called the Great Eagle family.
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Talena seemed to be proud of it too. Here's how she identifies at the top of her FetLife profile.
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Gorefest was a festival created by Marty. Every so often, he and his wife invited Gorians from across the country to their sprawling property in Oklahoma for a weekend of revelry. Talena and Tom loved going to Gorefest, so much so that they ultimately moved to Oklahoma to be closer to Marty and their Gorian friends.
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It was also at Gorefest where Talena met Corey, who went on to become her roommate after Tom died. I found an old website that Marty ran dedicated to Gorefest that includes this little history.
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Clicking around on this old website, I found the list of events. Sparring, axe throwing, tug of war, and serving. Slaves could take part in a position competition, testing their knowledge of the 10 submissive positions they should be able to assume upon command, according to Gorian philosophy. Don't look these up at work either. And there was also, sigh, a slave auction,
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And this arrangement is mutually beneficial, according to the philosophy described at length by author John Norman, as men are naturally dominant and women are inherently submissive. Here's a typical passage, the likes of which is repeated ad nauseum throughout the series.
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On another page was a list of Gorefest attendees, divided into two categories. In one list, I found Master Zarius, Tom. Master Shakar, Marty. In another, the slave list, Talina Zar. Zar as in belonging to Master Zarius. By the time Talena went missing, Master Zarius was dead. So did Talena belong to someone else? Marty explained to Jess that Talena was now an unowned slave.
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Marty had Talena's, quote, protection collar, which meant that he was looking after her. He wasn't her master, but he was a protector of sorts. Though what she needed to be protected from was unclear.
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Other Gorians trying to take her collar? Jess is suspicious of the list of men who attended Gorefest over the years. Masters whose real identities are unknown to her. But Marty is adamant that all this Gore stuff has nothing to do with Talena's disappearance. She's looking in the wrong place. Jess thinks there's more he's not telling her.
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But as time goes on, she starts to believe he's being earnest.
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The two are an unlikely pair, a nosy bartender in Minnesota, a geeky Gorian master in Oklahoma, having intimate conversations deep into the night, trauma bonding in the depths of COVID isolation, when, all of a sudden, a new clue takes the investigation in an entirely different direction.
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That's next week on What Happened to Talena Zarr. What Happened to Talena Zar is a production of iHeart Podcasts. It's written, reported, and hosted by me, Melissa Jeltsin, with writing and story editing by Lauren Hansen. Our executive producer is Ryan Murdock. For iHeart Podcasts, executive producers are Jason English and Carl Cadel. Fact-checking by Savannah Hughley.
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Zoe Denkla is our associate producer. Jeremy Thal is our editor. Original music by Aaron Kaufman, with additional music by Jeremy Thal and Gideon Crevichet. Episodes are mixed and mastered by Carl Cato. Voice acting by Lizzie Gore, Chris Ferry, Stephanie Frame, Pete Monica, and Molly Maslin. Our logo is designed by Ido Moore. Thanks so much for listening.
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Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
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You can now get access to episodes of What Happened to Talena Zar 100% ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription. I'm a subscriber and you should be too. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search iHeart True Crime Plus and subscribe today.
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So, yeah, unsurprisingly, the books were divisive, released during the 1960s and 70s as women fought for equality and pushed back against patriarchy. There was public backlash. Marion Zimmer Bradley, a sci-fi author of The Popular Myths of Avalon, shared a publisher with Norman and wrote a book in protest called Warrior Women, in which a female slave fights back against her enslavement.
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Yet, the Gore books resonated with enough readers to sustain Norman's prolific output, roughly one book a year for over two decades. In 1987, the series inspired a Hollywood movie.
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It looks campy and was widely panned by critics at the time. But despite dismal box office numbers and reviews, a second gore movie was released a year later. I can't even find box office numbers for that one, so it doesn't seem like it had much of an audience.
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And it was around this time, in the late 1980s, that Norman was dropped by his publisher, a decision he has said was due to pressure from feminist editors. But he didn't stop writing. In the early 2000s, Norman took his work online, publishing more than a dozen e-books since. The advent of the internet also fostered a devoted subculture of fans.
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Gore obsessives gathered in chat rooms to debate everything from traditional sword sizes to slave garments to how best to integrate the social structure of the books into one's life. In other words, how to be a Gorian. Not pretend, not role-playing on Second Life, but how to be a master or a slave in the home, in the bedroom, in life, period.
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And today, a niche community of self-identified Gorians still exists. They practice master-slave relationships modeled on the books, keeping Norman's controversial vision alive. And that world? Well, that was Tallinnus.
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From iHeart Podcast, I'm Melissa Jeltsin, and this is What Happened to Talena Zar?
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I had hoped to speak to John Norman, author of the Gore series, to learn more about his work and the subculture inspired by the books. But his current publisher told me that Norman, quote, does not want to be interviewed if The Slant is going to be another judgmental feminist attack. He added that Norman is also over 90 years old, and like many that age, can be a little cranky.
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So instead, I talked to an expert who, despite being a feminist, was surprisingly nonjudgmental.
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You know, fiction is an escape. This is Dr. Gloria Bream, a sex therapist and self-described kinkster.
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Gloria has spent her career as a sex educator trying to reduce the stigma around BDSM, an acronym you've probably heard thrown around that stands for bondage, dominance, sadism, and masochism.
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Hi, listeners. I'm Melissa Jeltsin, host of What Happened to Talena Zarr. It's the story of a woman who disappears in the early days of COVID lockdowns and the group of online sleuths who try to find her.
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Though the Gore books were titillating, Gloria never really connected with them. The strict gender roles depicted in the series felt anachronistic. On Gore, men were in charge. Women followed, listened, and served, often while scantily clad.
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Gloria's introduction to gore was brief, didn't leave that much of an impact. But later in life, when she immersed herself in the BDSM community, she learned that some people felt very connected to the books.
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There's no way to know how many people in the US or in the world call themselves Gorian or try to live according to the principles in the books. But if you move in BDSM spaces, you may come across them once in a while.
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This world, it's been hard to pierce as an outsider, reporter, and a woman. Gorians are extremely protective of their lifestyle, knowing that their choices are probably not accepted in the mainstream. Those who did talk to me shared fears of being outed and losing their jobs or jeopardizing their families.
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In order to better understand what it even is to be a Gorian, I spent six months lurking in the online spaces where they hang out these days, Reddit and Discord. And listening in on these conversations, I was able to glean some information. For example, there's a spectrum of Gorian participation. On one end are those who keep it virtual, where they role-play the master-slave dynamic online.
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And on the other end are people who live every day like this. Couples who enter into a contract, sometimes written, sometimes not, where the woman submits to the man, relinquishing her rights to choice, freedom, agency... It sounds shocking, but for some people, it is very sexy and very satisfying.
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Greg found a kindred spirit in Corey. She too was a handyman of sorts. Strong, industrious.
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Corey also found unique ways to make money, like buying people's old stuff and selling it on eBay. And Greg thought maybe he could do that too.
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Talena seemed to really enjoy having a friend around, too. It lifted her spirits. Here's Eris again. Having Cory there improved her quality of life.
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While Corey's presence was a comfort, there were clues that Talena was still struggling with Tom's loss. In November of 2019, a few months before COVID hit, Talena wrote a note to her friends on Facebook entitled, Grief Etiquette. Here's a reenactment of some of that post.
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Aris described Talena as assertive and good at setting boundaries.
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Quick note. You've heard most of Talena's cryptic Facebook post already. But there's a few lines I withheld that mention Tom. Now that you know who he is, this will make more sense.
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And this part of the post, it resonates with those who knew Talena in real life, who'd witnessed her debilitating depression after Tom's death. Here again is Nicole, who saw Talena just a few weeks before she went missing.
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This episode mentions suicide. Please take care while listening.
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Greg Thompson is 53 years old and has lived within a 45-minute drive of Wagner, Oklahoma, his entire life.
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A week before Talena disappeared, she posted about her illness on Facebook.
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Talena is talking about Corey, her roommate, running the household and watching out for her. Corey had been the last person to see Talena before she disappeared. On the day Talena posted her mysterious message, Corey said she'd been out running errands and came home to an empty house.
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The next day, Corey posted to her own Facebook page, alerting everyone to her missing roommate and asking for help. Here's a recreation of parts of the post.
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I looked it up. It's about double that, 8,000. Still small, a place where everyone kind of knows everyone and neighbors act neighborly. When Greg meets Talena, she's a recent transplant to the area.
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A day later, Corey posts again, this time sharing insight into what Talena's experience with COVID had been like.
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A few days go by. Talena's friends hear nothing and start to worry she's died of COVID, alone, in a remote cabin. But they also start imagining other worst-case scenarios. Like Greg, who speculates that maybe Talena was abducted.
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Her friends think, hope, maybe Talena will emerge over the weekend. But as Saturday and Sunday come and go, their polite respect for her privacy curdles into concern and dread. And there's consensus that the police now need to be involved.
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On Monday, April 13th, Corey goes to the sheriff's department, but she's told that an adult woman leaving on her own is not considered a missing person, at least not yet. Four more days pass. By Friday, Talena has still not returned, so Corey tries again. This time, she's able to file a missing persons report. That same day, two deputies drive out to Talena and Cory's house.
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Because of COVID, they play it safe and don't go inside. Instead, they talk to Cory in the driveway. They get the basic facts, like what Talena looks like and Talena's cell phone number, which they immediately try to locate. Surveying the property, the deputies note a gray shed in front of the house and several vehicles parked in the driveway, two cars and a red truck with a trailer attached.
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Greg became friends with Talena because he's the guy you call when you've got odd jobs that need doing.
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And then they turn the case over to Detective Joel Weber, who will lead the search. A few days later, he asks Corey to come back to the station to provide more details.
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Okay. Now two weeks after Talena's Facebook post, Corey arrives at the station wearing a COVID mask and gloves. We don't have a recording of the conversation, but we do have a transcript, parts of which we've recreated.
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Detective Weber asks Corey how they met and came to live together.
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Corey explains that she moved in less than a year ago, in May 2019.
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Corey tells the detective that when she moved in, she took on a lot of responsibilities for Talena, who had been struggling with her health. Corey ran errands for her, handled the household duties. They got close fast. They considered each other their emergency contacts. Talena even listed Corey as the executor of her estate in her will.
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In early 2020, before COVID shuts the world down, Talena is on the hunt for the perfect mattress to help her troubled sleep. This turns out to be a tedious task for the 53-year-old, who buys and returns multiple mattresses in the process. But luckily, she has Greg to help her with the heavy lifting.
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And so when Talena got COVID, Corey went into full caregiver mode.
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By this point, there are over 2.6 million confirmed cases of COVID globally. The U.S. leads the world and New York is the epicenter with over 250,000 cases, thousands of deaths and hospitals beyond capacity. Oklahoma was preparing for the worst, predicting a surge in COVID cases any day now.
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On the morning of April 7th, Corey says she asks again if she can take Talena to the hospital. And Talena, again, says no.
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When Corey gets home sometime in the afternoon, she goes into Talena's room to check on her. And Talena's gone. Corey can't tell if Talena has taken clothes or an overnight bag, but her phone is missing, along with some medication. And Talena's guns.
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Corey explains that Talena was very matter-of-fact about death. Talena had already organized her own funeral and made plans for her estate.
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Still, Corey says she's holding out hope that Talena is alive and offers to help Detective Weber in any way she can. He asks her to watch the mail for credit card statements and phone bills that may offer clues to her whereabouts.
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Finally, Talena finds a mattress that checks all the boxes. But now she has an extra mattress on her hands. Luckily, she knows a family in need.
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This is Eris Howell, another one of Talena's local friends. Eris had just closed on her very first house. Talena had guided her through the process, emotionally and sometimes even financially. In fact, the bed was just one of many things Talena offered to help make Eris' new house a home.
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While the cops are talking to Corey, the online sleuths have their own sprawling investigation.
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Everybody had their roles. Brittany, as an Arkansas native, was trying to piece together Talena's movements and timing. Jess was the instigator, reaching out to new contacts.
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This is Rosie, the small business owner in Ohio.
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Talena's real-life friend, Nicole, starts taking advice from Jess and the sleuths.
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Meanwhile, membership of the Find Talena Zar Facebook group grows rapidly to almost 400 participants. And with the growth, some growing pains.
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The group starts off public, but obviously that's a mistake. So they change it to private. Jess and some of the other original members do admin duty, vetting new requests, approving comments, keeping things civil. Some of these people are jerks. Tempers were high.
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And the investigation into Talena's disappearance was, she admits, kind of fun.
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Scheming with a bunch of strangers, laughing, brainstorming together. It also makes Jess feel connected.
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It's a new community, united by a common goal. Find Talena Zar. But it's hard to know just how trustworthy everyone is. And there's a name that keeps popping up in Jess's conversations. Has she talked to Talena's close friend, Marty? Jess gets a hold of his number.
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So I think most people would not cold call someone random whose friend just disappeared.
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Connecting with Marty is like hitting gold for Jess and the online sleuths because he's on the ground in Wagner looking for Talena too. And he's also been talking to the sheriff's department. For whatever reason, he's willing to share everything he has with them. He's not skeptical of a bunch of strangers doing their own investigation into Talena's disappearance. In fact, he welcomes it.
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The first big clue Marty gives them has to do with Talena's cell phone. The detectives tell him that her phone was last used on April 7th, the same day as the Facebook post.
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Lake Mommel is a three and a half hour drive from Wagner. Brittany, who happens to be in Arkansas, starts putting together a map.
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As COVID hits Oklahoma, Aris doesn't get to see her friend very often. Talena has rheumatoid arthritis and other health issues that make contracting the virus a real concern. She was immunocompromised, so she was taking it very, very seriously. But Talena still wants to hand off the mattress, as she promised. And so on Friday, March 27th, Talena texts Aris to organize a pickup.
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Pretty quickly, Marty becomes their main source, a person who seems to know a lot, who's just as committed as they are to finding Talena. He goes around town passing out the missing poster, helps organize the vigil, even talks to the local press.
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During this time, Marty and Jess are in constant communication.
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It's a mutually beneficial relationship. Marty likes to talk. Jess likes to listen.
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In the beginning, Jess doesn't know if she should trust Marty. And that's just her baseline. She doesn't trust anyone before they prove themselves to her. So she's kind of pretending with Marty to get him to open up to her. She'll say whatever to make him comfortable to get the information she wants.
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Even though she's acting friendly on the phone, Jess is double-checking everything Marty says. On Facebook, she can see that Talena and Marty seem to be good friends, like he said. They're tagged in each other's posts a lot. including in a photo taken at the Oklahoma Renaissance Fair in April 2018. It's Talena, Marty, and his wife, Lorianne. It's a warm day.
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They're dressed in shorts and t-shirts, all smiling widely. But in the caption, Marty refers to both women as his, quote, wives, which is confusing. And so is Talena's name, or more accurately, names. When Jess runs a basic background check, the kind you can pay for online, nothing comes up for Talena Zar. Turns out her legal name is actually Talena Galloway.
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But even that name hadn't been her name for very long. Before Talena Galloway, she was Jana Lovick. And before that, Jana Dillman. Jess doesn't know what to make of all this. With additional research, Jess learns that Talena Czar is more of her online nickname.
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That's next week on What Happened to Talena Zarr. What Happened to Talena Zarr is a production of iHeart Podcast. It's written, reported, and hosted by me, Melissa Jeltsin, with writing and story editing by Lauren Hansen. Our executive producer is Ryan Murdoch. For iHeart Podcasts, executive producers are Jason English and Carl Cadel. Fact-checking by Savannah Hugley.
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Zoe Denkla is our associate producer. Jeremy Thal is our editor. Original music by Aaron Kaufman, with additional music by Jeremy Thal. Episodes are mixed and mastered by Carl Cato. Voice acting by Lizzie Gore, Chris Ferry, Stephanie Frame, Pete Monica, and Molly Maslin. Our logo is designed by Ido Moore. Thanks so much for listening.
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A few days go by. Having not heard from her friend, Eris checks in.
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This is her last exchange with Talena before she goes missing. From iHeart Podcasts, I'm Melissa Jeltsin, and this is What Happened to Talena Tzar?
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Episode 2, Small Town, Big Secrets.
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This is Greg, the local handyman in Wagner.
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When Talena moved to Wagner, Oklahoma in late 2016, she did it with her partner, Tom. They left their longtime home in Indianapolis and purchased a brown ranch house in Whitehorn Cove, a lake community near the border of Arkansas. From the outside, the home is rustic-looking, cozy, private, set back from the road and nestled among the tall trees.
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It's not easy to move to a totally new place when you're in your 50s and beyond, but the couple had their reasons for choosing Wagner, of all places. One being, they had a group of friends who were already established there, like Eris Howell.
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The two women were several decades apart, and Eris looked up to Talena like a big sister.
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And it helped that they shared the same offbeat sense of humor. Eris told me about one time Talena was giving her some spices from her pantry that she no longer needed.
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To her friends, Talena was not only kind, generous, and hilarious, she was also super smart. Here's Greg again.
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Talena was a techie and a good one. She worked on Microsoft products, fixing code errors that no one else could solve.
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Talena was helpful to her community and also devoted to her partner, Tom. The two had been together for more than a decade. They had one of those bonds that, you know, everybody could aspire to.
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But Talena wasn't a homebody. She traveled a lot for work, often swinging through Indiana, where she and Tom used to live, and some of her extended family remained. And then, while she was on one of those routine trips, the unthinkable happened.
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Tom was only 59. In his obituary, he was described as a 22-year veteran of the Army and an avid gun enthusiast. The family asked that in lieu of flowers, well-wishers could donate to his favorite charity for love of dogs.
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Tom's death unmoored Talena, and for a long while afterwards, she battled with a stubborn depression.
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This is Kim, a hairdresser in Wagner who cut Talena's hair. She remembered Talena's first appointment after Tom passed.
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Talena didn't like living alone in the house she'd shared with Tom. Nicole, her friend in Tennessee, remembered how Talena navigated her new role as a relatively young widow.
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It was in 2019 that Talena invited Corey Bomily, a 58-year-old woman she knew through friends, to move in with her. Corey was also in a transitional period, in the middle of a divorce. I couldn't get Corey to speak to me, but from what I've learned, the two had a lot in common. They were both adjusting to life without a partner.
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They were both enthusiastic pet owners, sharing a singular love for animals. And they both dabbled in pagan culture and attended local Renaissance fairs for fun.
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It didn't take long for Talena and Corey's lives to become intertwined. Soon enough, Corey was over at Kim's getting her own haircut. While Talena was adventurous with her hair, dyeing it different colors and even doing a perm, Corey preferred a look some might call a mullet.
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Corey quickly fell in with Talena's social circle, too. Here's Greg again.
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This is an iHeart Podcast. It's April 2020. A woman announces on Facebook that she has COVID and won't be seeking medical attention.
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This is Jess, our internet sleuth in Minnesota. A few weeks into her own investigation, she's also discovering that Talena and Marty's relationship may not have been exactly how he described it. And she's beginning to suspect that he's been lying to her Which is tough because they've become very close very fast.
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When Marty talks about his relationship with Talena, he makes it seem as though they were extremely close, the best of friends. But Jess is learning new information that introduces some ambiguity into the picture. For one, she finds out from another friend of Talena's that Marty had allegedly stolen from Talena a few months before her disappearance.
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Jess also suspects that Talena had been helping Marty out financially. For a while.
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As Marty explains to Jess, he suffers from chronic pain and addiction, has had a hard time holding down a job. On one of their calls, Marty even goes so far as to ask Jess for some money for his pain medication, but that's a line Jess isn't willing to cross. According to Jess, Marty said Talena would sometimes pay his phone and water bills, even chip in for his meds.
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Things were messy between Marty and Talena, but when I asked Jess about Marty and Talena's friendship ending abruptly just before her disappearance, Jess didn't think it was that black and white. As far as she could tell, the two had been communicating regularly.
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By the pandemic's start, it looks as though Corey, not Marty, had become the primary recipient of Talena's generosity. According to Jess's research, Corey was living rent-free in Talena's home. She used Talena's cars to get around, and while she worked odd jobs, it was Talena's steady paycheck that provided the household income.
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It seems in those crucial months before Talena's disappearance, the people in her close orbit were shifting places. Marty's star was fading and Corey's was ascending.
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I was able to get a hold of a copy of Talena's will.
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The sleuths feel certain that Corey had something to do with Talena's disappearance. I mean, becoming the beneficiary of someone else's estate months before they go missing? That's motive 101. They've also heard through the grapevine about Corey burning Talena's mattress, selling her items on eBay. And Corey's criminal past suggests she's no stranger to lying and manipulation.
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But what about Marty? To the sleuths, he presents himself as someone who's also suspicious of Corey, even though they're friends. He tells the sleuths he'll use his friendship with Corey to try to get more information.
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But the sleuths aren't sure if he's being entirely transparent about his relationship with Corey either. Here's Rosie.
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And they're hearing rumors from other people in Wagner that contradict how Marty describes his relationship with Corey.
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Jess suspects maybe they're in cahoots. Maybe Marty's telling Corey everything they're telling him. And Jess tells him that, too.
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Jess is starting to feel exhausted. The investigation is hard work. So is changing her persona with each new source she reaches out to, trying to get them to open up, trying to find the thing that's going to crack the case wide open. Sometimes she pretends she knew Talena. Other times she gives fake backstories to gain access.
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It hasn't been easy to get people into Lena's life to speak to me on the record. It's clear she was well-loved, and you've heard from some of her friends already. I've reached out to many more and to her family, but for whatever reason, most have been apprehensive to participate. I was able to talk to Talena's sister, Cheryl Jones. She called me back the day she received my letter.
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When Jess told me all of this, that she lied to get information out of people, I had to wonder, could I trust her to be completely truthful with me? After all, in her very first email, she had mischaracterized her relationship to Talena, saying she was her friend. Over the year I spent reporting this story, I've tried to confirm every detail Jess told me.
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In some cases, I only have her account to rely on. But her version of events has held up. I believe she's been honest about everything that transpired, even when it reflected negatively on her. And she's been especially candid when talking about the personal toll of all of this.
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Talena's case is consuming Jess. Day and night, she's strategizing with her fellow sleuths, managing Marty, and sharing her findings with the Wagner County Sheriff's Office, whose reaction to her tips vary depending on the day and their level of patience. And for what? Sometimes the absurdity of the whole endeavor catches her off guard.
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What is she even doing trying to solve a missing persons case involving a woman she never met? Jess keeps meticulous notes of her investigation and her feelings about all of it. Here's a little glimpse of her writing from this time.
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More than just her time and energy, has Jess put herself in actual danger? She's now entangled with people whose true nature and capabilities she doesn't know. One day, she gets some threatening texts from a former Gorian master she'd reached out to.
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Another time, a gruff stranger comes into her bar and something about him, his accent, the way he talks to her, makes her extremely uncomfortable. She's not sure, is she being paranoid? Jess decides to take some precautions. She gets a concealed carry permit and a gun.
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Based on advice she finds online, Jess and Rosie create quote, if I go missing folders, complete with a list of all their passwords, photos of scars and tattoos, and the names of friends and family with descriptions of their relationships. For safekeeping, the two women, who first connected mere weeks ago, share these confidential documents with each other.
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She said she was relieved to have the chance to talk about her sister. She refers to Talena as Jana, her birth name.
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whatever reservations Jess has she's undeterred and she has a feeling that this will all come to a close soon it has to surely the cops have enough evidence to at least detain Corey were you scared at all did you feel like what have I what kind of characters have I gotten myself involved with no I was angry with her I was just on a mission to take her down
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They're all waiting for something to happen, for an arrest, for a big break in the case, for Talena to be found alive or dead. Meanwhile, Jess continues her daily, no, hourly check-ins with Marty, who's growing more erratic and confused.
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Often, it seems to Jess he's drunk or high when they're on the phone or texting.
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And then, late one night while sitting on the couch, she gets a call from Marty.
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It's the early days of COVID, April 2020. A woman in a small town in Oklahoma makes a strange post to Facebook and then disappears.
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Pretty quickly, a ragtag group of women on the internet start their own investigation.
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But the world they uncover is beyond their wildest imagination.
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What Happened to Talina Zar
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As you may recall, Talena was part of the Gorian community, a niche group of BDSM followers who live by the strict social structure outlined in the Gore books, a sci-fi series where men are the dominant gender and women are naturally subservient.
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For the better part of a decade, Talena lived as a 24-7 slave to her husband Tom, or Master Zarius, doing whatever and acting however he wished, in the bedroom and outside of it.
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It's May 11th, 2020, and Detective Joel Weber is at Talena and Corey's house once more. This time, he's there to use a chemical called Blue Star Forensic Spray in the garage. This spray causes blood to glow blue. I'm sure you've seen it on TV shows. Corey shows the officers into the garage and tells them that her dogs had recently peed on the concrete.
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She'd attempted to clean it up using a combination of chemicals she had around the house, bleach, Pine Sol, lime powder, and kitty litter, the latter of which is sprinkled around the garage floor, still visible to officers. They get to spraying and the results are instantaneous. The floor glows.
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There's a large area in the center of the garage, maybe two feet, in the same place where some of the kitty litter is. The visual is striking, but officers know it's not conclusive of anything. Bleach is also known to make Bluestar react. So for now, the officers take photos and samples of the floor to be tested for DNA.
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A week later, Corey goes to the sheriff's office for her scheduled polygraph appointment. She's volunteered for a lie detector test in an effort to help police rule her out as a suspect.
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The polygraph is being administered by Scott Miller, who works for the Department of Public Safety. This is a recreation of some of their interview.
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Miller attaches the instrument to her body. There's a cuff on her arm to watch the dips and rises in her blood pressure, two electrodes on her fingers to measure her pulse and sweat production, and two tubes wrapped around her chest to track changes in breathing. Miller explains he's going to ask her a series of questions multiple times.
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He instructs her to be truthful, except for one question where she's supposed to purposefully lie. This helps the machine establish the way Corey's body reacts to deception. The question she's supposed to lie about uses the phrase, quote, in your entire life.
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Yes. It goes on and on like this, with Miller repeating the questions.
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Miller reads through the results, and he tells Corey they need to talk about what the machine found.
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When Corey doesn't offer any explanations, Miller gives her some hypothetical stories. Maybe there was an argument. An accident? Corey says no. Maybe Talena wanted to end her life and someone helped her. And maybe it wasn't even Corey.
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Talena was active online, and her nieces were too. They saw the types of things she posted, the terms she used, and eventually worked out that Talena was part of the BDSM community and that that identity was very important to her.
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And she adds there was a recent rift between Marty and Talena.
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Even so, Corey says she doesn't think Marty would hurt Talena. Miller says the detectives will talk to him if they haven't already. Their conversation wraps up. He tells Corey that while she didn't do so well on the test, she's free to go. Detective Weber will be in touch soon. Lie detectors are unreliable. In Oklahoma and many other places, they aren't allowed as evidence in court.
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Mostly, cops use them as a tool to get people to confess. And Corey didn't, so they can't arrest her. But then, Weber finds evidence that changes their whole understanding of the timeline of events. And he presents that evidence to a judge in order to get a search warrant.
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One day, Cheryl heard her sister Jana refer to herself as Talena.
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Next time on What Happened to Talena Zarr, things get wild in Wagner.
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What Happened to Talina Zarr is a production of iHeart Podcast. It's written, reported, and hosted by me, Melissa Jeltsin, with writing and story editing by Lauren Hansen. Our executive producer is Ryan Murdoch. For iHeart Podcast, executive producers are Jason English and Carl Cadel. Fact-checking by Maya Shukri. Zoe Denkla is our associate producer. Jeremy Thal is our editor.
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Original music by Aaron Kaufman with additional music by Jeremy Fall and Gideon Crevache. Additional sound design by Marita Spee. Episodes are mixed and mastered by Carl Cato. Voice acting by Lizzie Gore, Chris Ferry, Stephanie Frame, Pete Monica, and Molly Maslin. Our logo is designed by Ido Moore. Thanks so much for listening. It's April 2020.
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A woman announces on Facebook that she has COVID and won't be seeking medical attention.
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When Cheryl learned that Talena legally changed her name, she was surprised to find out that she kept Jana as her middle name.
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We all have duality in our lives, present different versions of ourselves in different contexts. On Instagram, the image we portray might be a lot shinier than reality. The voice we adopt on a work call might be more optimistic or confident than we really feel. But what happens when the line between our different selves becomes sharper, severing the two worlds?
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When the people in one part of your life can't protect you from the other?
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From iHeart Podcasts, I'm Melissa Jeltsin, and this is What Happened to Talena Zar.
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Talena's sister, Cheryl, is now a 58-year-old nurse who lives in Pennsylvania.
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Cheryl remembers Talena as a shy kid, someone she felt she had to stand up for.
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As kids, Cheryl and Talena were inseparable. As adults, their lives moved in different directions. Cheryl went to nursing school, got married, and had four children before getting a divorce and moving to Pennsylvania. Talena stayed in Indiana, wandered a bit to find her way. She joined the National Guard, then got into computer programming.
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Like her sister, she also got married and divorced at a young age to a man named Russell Lovick, but she never had any kids. Instead, Talena played the auntie role with Glee.
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Cheryl's kids loved to come visit Aunt Jana, where they were often spoiled.
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Talena's close relationship with her three nieces, Cherie, Chantal, and Chelsea, continued into their adulthoods. The girls all settled in the Indianapolis area, close to Talena and most of their extended family. Even after Talena moved to Oklahoma, she made a point to visit frequently.
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By 2020, Cheryl and Talena had fallen out of touch. And so, when her little sister goes missing, she hasn't spoken to her in almost three years. But her daughters are in regular contact with Talena. Talena was especially close with Chantel, Cheryl's middle daughter. They both had office jobs, and so it was common for them to send messages back and forth throughout the workday.
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In late March, during the start of the COVID lockdown, Talena and Chantel are chatting like usual.
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Then Talena messages Chantel that she has to go. She's tired and has a headache.
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Then, on April 7th, Chantel sees Talena's Facebook post.
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Chantel tells her mom there's no way Talena wrote the post. She thinks someone else must have.
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Once the whole family is in the loop about Talena's disappearance, they start comparing notes, trying to work out the last time anyone had any real contact with her. The date they come up with is March 27th, 2020. That's the day Chantel was last Facebook messaging with her aunt.
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A few days later, the Wagner County Sheriff's Department calls Talena's family and speaks to her mother and brother.
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Talena's family, who are spread out across multiple states, face a difficult question. Should they go to Wagner, Oklahoma to look for Talena themselves in the middle of COVID lockdowns?
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Even if they went, they didn't know where to start looking. Talena had kept so much of her life their secret.
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Cheryl and her family knew of only one person in Wagner that Talena had ever mentioned.
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But the last time they'd seen Talena, she told them that Marty was out of the picture.
What Happened to Talina Zar
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It's the early days of COVID, April 2020. A woman in a small town in Oklahoma makes a strange post to Facebook and then disappears.
What Happened to Talina Zar
If I Go Missing - Talina Zar E5
Pretty quickly, a ragtag group of women on the internet start their own investigation.
What Happened to Talina Zar
If I Go Missing - Talina Zar E5
But the world they uncover is beyond their wildest imagination.