Meredith Whittaker

Yeah. No, I, I like this question cause I'm going to, I'm, I want to clarify our position. Um, which is a, there's a little bit of nuance. Um, I don't oppose interoperability in principle. If the interoperability mandate of the DSA were... Interoperability needs to be an option, and it has to happen at this rigorous security bar.

You have to make sure that you're implementing metadata security, sealed sender. Basically, you're adopting the signal...

You have to make sure that you're implementing metadata security, sealed sender. Basically, you're adopting the signal...

You have to make sure that you're implementing metadata security, sealed sender. Basically, you're adopting the signal...

privacy and security bar as the conditions for interoperability that would be really cool right and i think that's the issue here i mean and and i want to put an asterisk here for a moment saying like there are a lot of other complexities around policy like you know how do you how do you take in a you know, who deals with a law enforcement request, right?

privacy and security bar as the conditions for interoperability that would be really cool right and i think that's the issue here i mean and and i want to put an asterisk here for a moment saying like there are a lot of other complexities around policy like you know how do you how do you take in a you know, who deals with a law enforcement request, right?

privacy and security bar as the conditions for interoperability that would be really cool right and i think that's the issue here i mean and and i want to put an asterisk here for a moment saying like there are a lot of other complexities around policy like you know how do you how do you take in a you know, who deals with a law enforcement request, right?

Even if you have no data to give them, you can't just ignore that. Who, you know, like if a user has a complaint, who do they write in? What is like, you know, if you're interoperating with a platform for communication that also has a social media arm, there's a totally different regulatory environment for like, you know, telegram or WhatsApp with channels than for a signal.

Even if you have no data to give them, you can't just ignore that. Who, you know, like if a user has a complaint, who do they write in? What is like, you know, if you're interoperating with a platform for communication that also has a social media arm, there's a totally different regulatory environment for like, you know, telegram or WhatsApp with channels than for a signal.

Even if you have no data to give them, you can't just ignore that. Who, you know, like if a user has a complaint, who do they write in? What is like, you know, if you're interoperating with a platform for communication that also has a social media arm, there's a totally different regulatory environment for like, you know, telegram or WhatsApp with channels than for a signal.

How does that sort of, you know, work in terms, you know, there are, so I want to say this isn't simple and there's a whole can of worms. There's a massive can of worms as the EU often opens. But the, you know, like the conditions of interoperability are actually really, you know, they're really political here. Right. So in order to interoperate with WhatsApp and,

How does that sort of, you know, work in terms, you know, there are, so I want to say this isn't simple and there's a whole can of worms. There's a massive can of worms as the EU often opens. But the, you know, like the conditions of interoperability are actually really, you know, they're really political here. Right. So in order to interoperate with WhatsApp and,

How does that sort of, you know, work in terms, you know, there are, so I want to say this isn't simple and there's a whole can of worms. There's a massive can of worms as the EU often opens. But the, you know, like the conditions of interoperability are actually really, you know, they're really political here. Right. So in order to interoperate with WhatsApp and,

Am I going to be giving Signal user data to Meta? Well, that would violate the entire premise of what I'm spending my life's energy doing and Signal, right? Is Meta going to decide to cut off the account of one of our users? Who gets to decide that? Are they collecting other data because they aren't implementing some of our libraries or whatever?

Am I going to be giving Signal user data to Meta? Well, that would violate the entire premise of what I'm spending my life's energy doing and Signal, right? Is Meta going to decide to cut off the account of one of our users? Who gets to decide that? Are they collecting other data because they aren't implementing some of our libraries or whatever?

Am I going to be giving Signal user data to Meta? Well, that would violate the entire premise of what I'm spending my life's energy doing and Signal, right? Is Meta going to decide to cut off the account of one of our users? Who gets to decide that? Are they collecting other data because they aren't implementing some of our libraries or whatever?

And so I think that's where the rubber meets the road. And we have to have a duty of care to the people who rely on Signal. That is, we're absolutely not going to compromise you that way. Because we know, you know, if we're going to be very real about it, there's a woman living in jail right now in the U.S.

And so I think that's where the rubber meets the road. And we have to have a duty of care to the people who rely on Signal. That is, we're absolutely not going to compromise you that way. Because we know, you know, if we're going to be very real about it, there's a woman living in jail right now in the U.S.

And so I think that's where the rubber meets the road. And we have to have a duty of care to the people who rely on Signal. That is, we're absolutely not going to compromise you that way. Because we know, you know, if we're going to be very real about it, there's a woman living in jail right now in the U.S.

because Metta turned over her Facebook messages between her and her daughter that documented them obtaining reproductive care in the state of Nebraska after the Dobbs decision. Like, that's the stakes of this conversation, even when we're talking about the technical details of interoperability, right? Right.