Meryl Horn

They looked at what people did when they did decide to not go on to that naughty listed app.

It turns out about half the time people just went to some other app instead.

So they were still on their phones often just doing something else that maybe they thought was better for them because they didn't put it on their blacklist.

Okay.

Yeah.

You've got to do something.

Yeah.

Yeah, it might sort of backfire once you get in.

So is there any Goldilocks amount of friction then?

Well, there is actually an approach that nothing to do with friction at all that I found that it seems to be the best way to stop scrolling, according to the science that I found.

So I'll tell you what that is after the break.

I mean, I think, no, I think it's a solution.

That's definitely worth trying.

Yeah.

And it is something that is even easier than a lot of the things we've been talking about to try.

Let's jump in.

So next we're going to meet Dr. Leah Kristen Vickard.

She did a study on this.

She's a researcher at the University of Koblenz in Germany.

And like basically all the researchers that I talked to about this, Leah also got into this for personal reasons.