Meryl Horne

How well did it work to like help people to stay off opioids?

Yeah, 30% of the whole group said that they never had opioids again.

Was it a little bit of a letdown?

So Alan wasn't actually that surprised at this figure since, you know, after people go to these clinics, they still have to go home to their normal environments.

And so in light of that, he was like, it's actually pretty impressive that it worked for 30% of people.

And Alan said that even with that 70% of people who had gone back to using opioids, a bunch of them were using less than they had used before the Ibogaine.

Yeah.

So I asked them how things went for them longer term, and they both said that the cravings did eventually come back.

So now it's been about a year, and Rutz has managed to stay off opioids since he first went to that clinic.

Amazing.

And with Holly, I asked her how long the Ibogaine worked.

So actually, both Retz and Holly still, as part of their recovery, do Ibogaine regularly.

They both take smaller doses, what Holly calls tune-ups.

She does them maybe once a year.

No, but what is it about needing to do it every once in a while that is like... Because it makes me physically sick.

I haven't seen any research on that, no.

Mm-hmm.

But, you know, for Holly and Retz, they say it definitely helps.

And, you know, it almost gives them a similar sort of therapy as that original, the bigger dose.

It like gives them a shorter version of that same experience.