Mia Mottley

More often than not, it's a European or a North American investor in Africa that's driving the corruption.

And it takes two hands to clap.

This makes no noise.

So I think that bringing these things to light

matters in terms of those who have a conscience immediately say, you're right.

That's true.

And those who don't have a conscience will find it more difficult to sustain the error of their ways.

You've said things that have made me think of how we convince people differently because

I remember one day you said, and you'll correct me because I might paraphrase you incorrectly.

You essentially said, we'll listen to people fighting about like migration and who's going where and who's going.

We never think to ourselves, how can we pay somebody to stay in their country?

I saw you saying this.

Yeah, I saw you say that.

And some people were like, oh no, you should never, how could you say such a thing?

Because I realized there's this idea around immigration that has been romanticized, you know?

And I think maybe because I'm an immigrant and because I've been an immigrant in another country, I think sometimes people don't realize that for the most part, I'm not saying for everyone, but for the most part,

People do not wish to leave their home.

They don't.

You know what I mean?

Some people want to explore.