Mia Mottley

So

For me, this engineering field, it's the biggest dam in Africa.

It's like two kilometers wide, 550 feet high.

I mean, you have to see it to believe it.

I've never seen water move at that speed.

And even after they take the water that they need for the dam to generate the electricity, the overspill is coming down with a ferocity that I've never seen it.

And that they could do it when the world said no.

It took them 14 years, but they did it.

So do you think there's a future where smaller countries and countries that have been cast aside start to think like this?

But do you think there's a...

that the larger countries who are being pushed by corporations will put their thumb on the scale to block that from happening.

Because if Barbados, South Africa, random countries come together and say, you know what, let's do our own little projects.

Let's get our susus going.

Let's get our societies together.

Maybe I'm a little paranoid.

I feel like there are companies and countries who have been benefiting this for a long time who would go, no, we don't want you to do that, even though we're not going to help you do it for yourself.

Because the status quo changes.

And most people don't want this.

Those who are in control of the levers of power don't want the status quo to change.

By the same token, I've also been around long enough to know, and I think you've seen it in South Africa,