Mia Wong

So health care access may be a problem there, too.

But in our area, the kind of staff had a sense, look, if we don't do it, no one else will.

Yeah.

And so they didn't be pretty pro-trans.

The loophole they used, the ambiguity, I guess, they used was if an insurer, secular or otherwise, said, hey, this procedure is necessary, they didn't question it.

And under the previous pre-bishop's menstruation, there was kind of that bit of that leeway.

This is an example of, you know, some of them Catholic pro-trans folks in rural area.

Yeah.

actually doing some real good and then because they kind of maneuvered in this gray area and this band just completely ended that yeah they also described because they actually had top surgery scheduled at this same hospital and the band hit and they're very thankful to the doctor who did you know surgeries at that hospital who intentionally just kind of kept them on the schedule incredible incredible yeah but but like we need way more of that but also it just got a lot more difficult yeah

And a lot more hurdles were placed in the way of that.

So, like, what was happening just got cut off.

Yeah, and this is also a really significant issue because trans healthcare is already, even before this, you know, like the wait list for things like top surgery, things like bottom surgery.

Or sometimes years long, even in places that have like, quote unquote, like good health care.

Right.

Like even in places like Oregon or like, you know, in places like L.A., like you're dealing with multi-year wait lists to get these procedures.

Yeah.

And suddenly like a seventh of all the people doing this are just gone.

And that just contributes even if you can get.

And some places have.

Yeah, yeah.