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Chapter 1: What is the largest trans healthcare ban in the U.S.?
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Welcome to It Could Happen Here, a podcast about things falling apart and how to put them back together again. I am your host, Mia Wong. And today we are going to be talking about, frankly, the largest and most draconian trans healthcare ban in the country. And the unexpected place that, well, I don't know if unexpected is the right word, but the ignored place that it's come from.
And with me to talk about this band is David Forbes, who is an editor and a journalist with the Trans News Network. David, welcome to the show. Always good to be here. I once again back to my I wish I could have people on the show to talk about like cool and normal things. But, you know, we get that sometimes. This is not one of those stories. I mean, we're trans journalists in a dying empire.
Yeah. Let's let's. Yeah. So speaking of bad things happening in dying empires, do you want to take us sort of to the start of this health care ban and. What we're even talking about here, because it's not a government health care ban in the way that I think people expect.
No, and that's actually really important to all this story, because a lot of the attention in health care bans has been on governments and occasionally hospitals, like secular hospital systems, refusing to provide care because they're scared of the federal government. So it's been portrayed as a fight between governments or a fight over stuff happening in legislatures.
And to be clear, that stuff is absolutely important. Yeah, yeah. However, this ban wasn't put in place by a legislature. It's not any institution that people have even the facade of an ability to really influence.
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Chapter 2: What are the roots of the trans healthcare ban?
All of it. Yeah. So throughout that entire network in some states and ones you wouldn't necessarily think, including ones like Oregon and Washington that are ostensibly supposed to have like pretty strict trans health care protections. Catholic hospitals comprise like over a third of hospital beds. And I think Washington is over 40 percent.
So we're talking about, of healthcare beds, we're talking about a substantial part of the American healthcare system. Four in 10 of the largest healthcare networks are Catholic. That's how extensive this was. And now trans healthcare is banned in all of them. Absolutely. Yeah, and that's something that has an absolutely massive rolling impact, right?
Because again, it's not just that it's like outwardly Catholic hospitals. This is something I think you're going to talk about more later, but it's also like it's people who have healthcare plans through something that's affiliated with the church. There are all of these ways in which suddenly just enormous numbers of people had their healthcare taken away effectively overnight.
Because the primary way that anti-trans healthcare oppression has been understood has been through the state level. And I understand why it's like that, because a lot of it has been coming from the state, both on... This is where you get into confusing American terminology, but both in terms of the federal government and the state-level governments, right?
People have been a huge focus on that, but the distribution of the Catholic health care system is cutting through the lines of what people sort of had previously assumed to be safe. And this is something that is a threat to trans people effectively everywhere. And it's compounding, as you were talking about earlier, with the sort of crisis of
affordability and coverage because a lot of these yes healthcare clinics and hospitals and practices are the ones that are actually covered by insurance yes and there you can you get a situation where like they're secular ones but you can't go to them because they're not covered by your fucking insurance so they're unbelievably expensive and this gets to a reality that goes through a lot of our coverage and
which is that trans people are an overwhelmingly working-class demographic. I don't think that gets said enough. It doesn't get picked, even in some queer and trans media. But that is incredibly important here. I began the second story with an interview that we published with an interview with Beth, who's a trans woman in the Midwest. And...
found it nearly impossible to find healthcare outside of their networks. Because, like a lot of trans people, Beth has an ACA plan. And because the secular networks are a little more expensive, some cases a lot more expensive, the ACA plans that are available to most trans people, you know, that they can remotely afford, don't cover healthcare there.
So you kind of have to, and then they don't provide your healthcare at all. And in that case, this was someone, she'd been going... across state borders, which she noticed kind of wild to get health care anyway, to go to Planned Parenthood, finally thought that she had found a practice closer to home, went there before the bishops' ban, like right before it hit. They seemed very welcoming.
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Chapter 3: How does the Catholic Church influence healthcare in the U.S.?
actually doing some real good and then because they kind of maneuvered in this gray area and this band just completely ended that yeah they also described because they actually had top surgery scheduled at this same hospital and the band hit and they're very thankful to the doctor who did you know surgeries at that hospital who intentionally just kind of kept them on the schedule incredible incredible yeah but but like we need way more of that but also it just got a lot more difficult yeah
And a lot more hurdles were placed in the way of that. So, like, what was happening just got cut off. Yeah, and this is also a really significant issue because trans healthcare is already, even before this, you know, like the wait list for things like top surgery, things like bottom surgery. Or sometimes years long, even in places that have like, quote unquote, like good health care. Right.
Like even in places like Oregon or like, you know, in places like L.A., like you're dealing with multi-year wait lists to get these procedures. Yeah. And suddenly like a seventh of all the people doing this are just gone. And that just contributes even if you can get. And some places have.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. And the number of people who do these procedures is so small that if you are looking to get these procedures, like, you can talk to the trans people in your area and they will know every single doctor who does it. Yeah. Right? Because there's, like, three, maybe. If you're lucky, there's, like, three. Usually there's, like, one. Like, even on the HRT front, sometimes, you know,
And I can speak from experience on this. You know, it's often kind of an icebreaker of like, oh, which medical practice is giving you your HRT and down? Because there's like two, maybe three if you're lucky. Yep. And that's maybe for a whole region.
Yeah. Yeah.
And, you know, a lot of trans people, maybe even most, live outside of what you think of as a few, you know, major metropoli. But also, there was a, while I was looking into this, there was a case in 2017, this was before the Bishop's Ban, where a Catholic hospital in California, which on paper at least has fairly strong trans healthcare protections for the U.S.,
Where a priest with no medical experience comes in last minute, vetoes the top surgery for a trans man. Jesus Christ. And they kick him out on the street still on the drugs, the pre-surgery drugs. What the fuck? Jesus Christ. He sued them, rightly. Yeah. Like, you know, this is a hospital in New York, California. We go into it a little bit in the story.
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Chapter 4: What is the impact of the healthcare ban on trans individuals?
Because, you know, you will look in vain for a major national organization that's like taking the Catholic Church to task over this. Yeah. Ones with millions of dollars of budgets. you know, apparently their higher-ups are too busy, you know, taking first-class flights and raking in nearly a million dollars a year while trans people can't find jobs, you know.
But, like, so I've never gotten the aversion because for a lot of us on the ground, for a lot of us who, you know, among the many, many, many trans people that are working class, that live outside some of the, like, you know, handful metropolis that we often get depicted as
exclusively living in fundamentalist violence you know to be and to be clear from plenty of like protestant evangelicals as well yeah never stopped it never stopped being a very serious and real threat their numbers have gone down since the 90s you know in the early 2000s yeah but it's never stopped being something you really have to have to account for whether it's institutional even if it's totally illegal they'll still do it like they did in california
Or literal like street violence, literally like people attacking you with weapons. So I think that's definitely a factor in all this. And I think it's a sad factor in why folks haven't heard about it.
And, you know, in some of the stuff I've talked about before on the show and elsewhere, I've mentioned that I think that whatever the intent behind it, the gay ink, as it were, the structure of, you know, these larger nonprofits, which you can send down to like the local and state level at some points,
And the culture from them that kind of is more status quo, more solution, kind of dictates a lot of, like, official, at least, queer and trans politics has been a disastrous failure. And I think that's even, you know, even more apparent here. This is, again, the largest, most draconian trans health care in the U.S. It's already happened. It's already in place.
And you will look in vain for any organizing from the institutions that are supposed to protect trans rights against it. Yeah. There aren't, like, big lawsuits being filed. There's not, like, you know, exposƩs being run. They have far more resources than our, you know, worker-run newsroom. We do a lot with what we have. We encourage people to support us.
But, like, they have a lot more resources to make those things a large national issue. They have chosen not to. And a lot of people are going to suffer for that, are suffering for that. Yeah. And I should mention, too, on an actual policy level, like a full scale health care ban on adult trans health care is like hideously unpopular. Like there's a reason the Republicans haven't done it. Yeah.
Right. Because it's not popular. So this is like this is a winning issue. Yes. Right. And they won't fucking take up the fight because they're too busy glazing the papacy. Not just them. I mean, progressives in general are lately blazing the papacy way too much. Yeah.
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Chapter 5: What recent warehouse fires have been reported across the U.S.?
I'm getting comments and reports in right now that there have been five different warehouse or storefront fires in the last three days. This shit is
is fucking wild holy six i think that's six because it's two in california new york ohio pennsylvania and new jersey and again i'm trying to find these items online right now but like i don't think the news cycle has caught up fast enough to it so like whoo class war 2026
This person describes herself on TikTok as a quote-unquote guerrilla journalist, and that video got almost half a million views on TikTok and 74,000 likes by baselessly claiming that a string of fires that may or may not even be real are actually intentional arsons in an escalating class war, hashtag eat the rich.
Chapter 6: What details are known about the recent fires in New Jersey?
Let's go over some of the details of a few of the fires that she and others have mentioned. In New Jersey, there were actually three fires this past week, one at a chemical plant, one at a battery warehouse, and a wildfire, which sent smoke into Pennsylvania. On Thursday, April 9th, a three-alarm fire spread through a chemical warehouse in Newark, New Jersey.
Over 100 firefighters brought the fire under control that afternoon. No employees were harmed, and the cause is under investigation. On the morning of April 13th, there was another three-alarm warehouse fire in Rahway, New Jersey. While searching the structure, firefighters discovered the blaze emerged from pallets of lithium-ion batteries.
The exact cause of the fire still remains under investigation. And this past weekend, a wildfire spread through south New Jersey, burning up to 160 acres and sending smoke into Pennsylvania. The National Weather Service warned beforehand that there was an elevated risk of wildfires last Saturday due to low humidity and 25 mile per hour wind gusts.
On the afternoon of Friday, April 10th, firefighters responded to a commercial structure fire at a trash disposal business near Atlanta, Georgia. The blaze stemmed from a garbage fire in the warehouse that grew out of control. One adult was sent to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.
Per a Gwinnett County news release, quote, the incident presented several operational challenges, including a downed power line, a deep-seated fire within large debris piles, structural components exposed to prolonged heat, and nearby hazards involving liquid petroleum gas tanks and a diesel fuel reservoir, unquote. Firefighters brought this fire under control in less than four hours.
According to employees, the fire originated from a small trash fire near the edge of the warehouse. Workers attempted to remove the burning debris before the fire rapidly intensified and spread to the structure.
The fire was ruled accidental, and department spokesperson Lieutenant Jessica Joyner said that it appears to have been caused by trash piled in an unsafe manner, which can combust when mixed together at such garbage facilities. But two days later, a viral post read, quote, Atlanta, Queens, Bakersfield, Ontario, I'm starting to lose track.
Many people are saying only living wages can prevent warehouse fires. Speaking of Bakersfield, a quote-unquote communist Twitter account quote-tweeted a video of a warehouse fire in Bakersfield, California from a monetized news aggregator account and got 21,000 likes by writing, let it be a pattern.
Another account shared a different video ripped from TikTok captioned, it's almost like electing billionaires was a bad idea. A socialist branded monetized account posted another angle of the Bakersfield fire getting 14,000 likes with the caption, is a rebellion actually brewing in the imperial core?
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Chapter 7: How is social media influencing perceptions of warehouse fires?
Southwood Pallet has served this community for 42 years and we intend to rebuild and be stronger than ever, unquote. Footage of this fire racked up over half a million quote-unquote views on a socialist-branded monetized ex-account captioned, Now there is a five-alarm fire at a lumber pallet warehouse in Wayne County, Ohio. There are too many fires to be a coincidence.
The working class has had it. And quote tweets of the video got tens of thousands of likes with users writing, quote, Love to see people finally standing up against their employers. Eight in a week. and no more thoughts and prayers, only fire, unquote.
Here's another video with over 300,000 views from that TikTok guerrilla journalist going through a few more of these warehouse fires that I've mentioned.
based on all of my comments and my research online, based on what people are telling me and from what I can see, the ones that I can corroborate right now was that last one was Ohio in a lumber yard. And then we had the Ohio Amazon, which was apparently due to the solar panels, we'll say. And then we have one in the Queens, New York one, which was lumber as well.
New Jersey was a chemical warehouse. Georgia was a commercial structure. And then lastly, the one that y'all been tagging me in
is the california jean store which spread throughout the mall from what i can hear and have seen online so that is a total of seven since our original luigi man set fire to the toilet paper facility the that one so that's where we are right now a total of seven in about three four days of warehouse storefront fires throughout the United States.
Now, we don't know about all of them, but these are the ones that are on the radar right now. So if there's more out there, let me know, but we're up to seven now.
Out of all the fires that she's talked about, the only one that we know is arson, besides the toilet paper warehouse, is this fire at a mall in the same city in California, where a man who does not work at the mall allegedly lit multiple fires across several stores.
The mall reopened later that same day, and authorities have said there's no connection to the warehouse fire, though the investigation is still ongoing. Before I discuss what's actually happening with all these warehouse fires, let's go on one more ad break. All right, we are back. So what's really going on with all these warehouse fires? Is all this reporting just a coincidence?
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of the recent warehouse fire incidents?
Even if the exact cause of most of these fires hasn't yet been determined. It does seem from watching all these videos that there's been an increase of warehouse fires since the first toilet paper inferno. Though, just because you're more aware of warehouse fires happening across the country doesn't mean that these fires are actually happening at a higher rate.
A report from the National Fire Protection Association found that from 2020 to 2024, an estimated 1,544 warehouse fires occur every year. That's an average of four fires per day. Warehouses are home to a lot of high heat equipment and materials that are easily combustible, like lumber, paper products, batteries, and chemicals.
The recent National Fire Protection Association report found that most warehouse structure fires had an unintentional cause, 29%. 10% were caused by failure of equipment or a heat source. And intentional fires accounted for just 7% of warehouse fires. Operating equipment was the leading heat source in warehouse fires, responsible for 43%.
And shop tools and industrial equipment were involved in the ignition of 19% of warehouse fires. Misuse of material or product and electrical failure are the leading factors contributing to ignition. Improper storage of flammable materials and human error are also contributing factors. Intentionally set fires or arson does happen, but it's not the most common cause of modern warehouse fires.
And again, warehouse structure fires happen four times a day on average. So not only is there no proof that underpaid employees have begun a spree of lighting fire to their workplace, but there hasn't even been a recent increase in warehouse fires. On Monday afternoon, footage spread online of another warehouse fire outside Miami with the caption, living wages prevent warehouse fires.
But this fire actually took place over a month ago on March 5th, 2026 at an inventory storage warehouse. An employee told NBC Miami, quote, apparently there was a short circuit and a spark fell on one of the carpets we have. And that's how the fire started. We tried to put it out, but it happened too fast, unquote.
Officials have not yet confirmed those details, and the exact cause of the fire is still under investigation. But it is literally impossible for this fire to in any way be related to the toilet paper warehouse because it happened a month prior, and the footage is just circulating now to boost social media engagement.
The video of the employee allegedly setting fire to pallets of toilet paper channeled such a strong feeling across American workers that people invented and circulated a whole fake news cycle about a string of copycat incidents.
Something tells me we're not done with the warehouse fires. Just a hunch. Because only if you had paid us a livable wage. And I'm pretty sure everyone is fucking over corporate America at this point. Like, over it. People are starting to realize that there are more of us than there are of them. And the only thing that they care about is their profits, not the people.
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