Mia Wong

Yeah.

Like, you know, this is a hospital in New York, California.

We go into it a little bit in the story.

So, like, that was happening before, but that's now everywhere.

Yeah.

And the few cases like the hospital that we mentioned, where there were folks working around that to still provide some health care, that's probably gone now.

I would say it's almost certainly gone unless folks are really just breaking the rules, which they should.

But this is sort of the systemic problem with...

having the church hierarchy having control over these healthcare institutions which is that yes even if you are just like in the institution trying to do good and you believe in the right thing you're trying to do the right thing it doesn't matter yeah because suddenly just the hammer can come down on you from above even if you keep doing it right there's always just the risk that like they're just going to fire you all at best it is highly precarious

Yeah, and it's this really kind of, I don't know, this kind of like brutal demonstration of the reality that in a hierarchical institution, it kind of doesn't matter what the people on the bottom believe, because at the stroke of a pen, 200 reactionaries who run your fucking institution can just come in and be like, no, fuck you, none of you get healthcare.

Yeah.

Well, and not just that, but run a substantial amount of the entire American healthcare system.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, and this is actually why, and this is a larger factor.

I have survived literal fundamentalist Christian violence when I was younger.

And I think this is actually something which we'll probably get into a little bit.

Like, I've never gotten the aversion, especially from queer and trans organizations, to criticize religious institutions.

It didn't always used to be this way, but it's definitely been this way, including on this issue.

Mm-hmm.

Because, you know, you will look in vain for a major national organization that's like taking the Catholic Church to task over this.