Mia Wong

You know, there was this giant attack.

This was unacceptable beyond the pale.

It also worked.

The Catholic Church did start backing off their stances because they didn't want to be attacked more.

And I think it's a good example that

stop looking at the damn polls and just fight them, you know?

It's generally a much better approach.

And I think, I have to say, I think part of this, as you've seen, especially with how, you know, the co-option of some of the results of equal marriage, when you saw after that era, gay groups used that to become like the predominant force and gay keep a lot of other organizing and queer and trans activism, you saw this backing away from ever criticizing religious institutions.

Yeah.

I mean, the advocate named Pope Francis in 2013, their person of the year.

Yeah.

And like this is the guy who said that she said that gender ideology is more dangerous to the world than nuclear weapons.

Again, you know, individual Catholics have their own sets of beliefs and differ.

Some are very obviously pro-trans.

But, like, the institution is very unequivocal on this.

It has never stopped being that.

Yeah.

And longtime journalists covering the Catholic Church, you know, cautioned that, look, the term they used was changing the tone but keeping the same music for Francis's papacy.

Yeah.

And Leo is very much in that.