Mia Wong

So speaking of bad things happening in dying empires, do you want to take us sort of to the start of this health care ban and.

What we're even talking about here, because it's not a government health care ban in the way that I think people expect.

No, and that's actually really important to all this story, because a lot of the attention in health care bans has been on governments and occasionally hospitals, like secular hospital systems, refusing to provide care because they're scared of the federal government.

So it's been portrayed as a fight between governments or a fight over stuff happening in legislatures.

And to be clear, that stuff is absolutely important.

Yeah, yeah.

However, this ban wasn't put in place by a legislature.

It's not any institution that people have even the facade of an ability to really influence.

And on November 12th, 2025, a complete and total trans healthcare ban, medications as well as surgeries, adults as well as youth, was put in place throughout every healthcare system run by the Catholic Church in the U.S.,

Yeah, and that has not really, like... I don't know, like, I've talked about it.

Like, we've mentioned it on the show before.

I don't know if I've really seen any other, like, systemic large-scale coverage of it.

I mean, there were, like, a couple of articles when it came out.

But other than TNN, like, this has been...

almost completely ignored, even though it is more draconian than any health care ban that has gone into effect anywhere in the country.

Again, as you said, this is a total health care ban for children and adults.

Yes, and for all types of trans health care.

Yeah, for everything.

Yeah, and that's the thing.

So I've honestly been a little surprised by that, even old and cynical as I am.