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Behind the Bastards

It Could Happen Here Weekly 235

06 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?

0.031 - 10.209 Mia Wong

This is an iHeart Podcast.

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13.134 - 36.032 Unknown

Guaranteed human. You know, Steve Carell is a great singer. Can you tell you not to audition for The Office or something? I told him. We were filming Anchorman. Clearly, I was the idiot. Thank God he didn't listen to me, right? Listen to Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, everyone.

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36.233 - 58.587 Cheryl Strayed

I'm Cheryl Strayed, author of Wild and Tiny Beautiful Things. I'm excited to share that I have a new podcast called Mind Over Mountain. In each episode, I interview athletes, adventurers, and adrenaline seekers to discuss the inner landscapes that informed and inspired their extraordinary feats so we too can better understand how to face our own seemingly insurmountable challenges.

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58.867 - 65.357 Cheryl Strayed

Listen to Mind Over Mountain every Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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65.523 - 80.616 Unknown

Your husband is not who you think he is. Your body is not what you thought it was. Your identity is formed by a secret history. I'm Dani Shapiro, and these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring on the 14th season of Family Secrets.

81.196 - 94.888 Cheryl Strayed

He kind of shoved me out of the way and said, move, and he went out the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off, and that was the last time I saw him. Listen to season 14 of Family Secrets on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

95.459 - 104.412 Robert Evans

June is Black Music Month, and on the Drink Champs podcast, we're speaking with the hottest names in the culture, like Swae Lee. Do you realize how legendary you are?

104.753 - 115.769 SPEAKER_00

I appreciate that. I be seeing it, but I'm like, man, I still got like so much more to do. Like Prince, he dropped like 30 albums. We dropped like five right now. That's the rate we got to be going. Yeah, that's a good attitude.

116.15 - 128.527 Robert Evans

No matter the era, Drink Champs brings you the biggest names and the most unfiltered conversations. Listen to Drink Champs from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Chapter 2: What are the different types of bears in North America?

813.99 - 823.105 Unknown

Yep. It's past time for the federal government to delist them and give states some management tools. Kill them back. Yeah, we've got to kill them back. This is what we do.

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823.125 - 824.968 Molly Conger

Eye for an eye for Florida man.

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825.758 - 847.799 Unknown

I was speaking to a scientist who studies human-bear interactions this week, and he referred to these as revenge killings. Yeah. Because they won't just kill. They often, in many instances, don't know which bear. Sometimes we can know the size of the bear, right, from the size of the jaws. Mm-hmm. There'll be kind of several bears. There are different sizes of jaws.

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847.819 - 850.503 Unknown

Things are distanced between the different teeth, stuff like this, right?

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850.543 - 857.172 Molly Conger

Right, like if one bear is like, if it's like a Jaws situation, like one bear just has it out for hikers. Sure, I guess go get him.

857.633 - 869.751 Unknown

But that's not like... But that's not what's happening. Yeah, and they will end up killing a number of bears in an area when this stuff happens, right? It's just a revenge killing. So we're taking out like, we're taking out our anger on that species because they came after our species.

869.951 - 873.156 Molly Conger

It seems like the problem is not that there's too many bears.

873.637 - 894.171 Unknown

Yeah. That is correct, Molly. That is why we're here today. He seems to be positioning this as there's just too many bears. People just can't avoid the bears because there's so many bears. That is not the case. Millions of people every year visit the greater Yellowstone ecosystem and very few of them see a bear. And even fewer of them touch a bear. Yeah.

894.432 - 899.479 Unknown

If you're touching a grizzly bear, it's a bad day for you. Unless, I guess, it has decided it wants to be touched.

Chapter 3: How do bear interactions impact safety in the wilderness?

1732.976 - 1743.768 Unknown

Or, like, they wander onto the road and get hit, right? It's really, really, really horrible. Oh, I'm looking this up and I regret it. Google, make some otosis pictures at your own risk.

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1743.848 - 1745.01 Molly Conger

No, don't. Actually, don't.

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1745.03 - 1769.604 Unknown

Yeah, it almost looks like they have cataracts over their eyes. It's really, really horrible, right? But this is what happens when we continually try and mess with an ecosystem that has existed in harmony. And it changes based on inputs and changes in the climate, right? It's not like it's a fixed thing. It has shifted and changed through time, but it has found a balance. every time.

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1769.825 - 1778.566 Unknown

And then we come in and just keep pressing one side of the scale. This'll fix it. Yeah, this'll fix it. And more, but we just keep chucking more on there and wondering. Kill the bears back.

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1778.666 - 1782.796 Molly Conger

I just, I can't get over, that's just like a child's approach to things.

1783.377 - 1802.353 Unknown

This is our policy, right? Like, OK, so let's talk about Zinke, right? Let's talk about the protections that he wants to take away. These protections were passed into law by the Endangered Species Act in 1973. And the Endangered Species Act lists grizzly bears in the lower 48 as threatened.

1802.934 - 1808.943 Unknown

If you're not familiar with the ESA, it prevents you from hunting, harming or harassing listed species without a special permit.

1809.043 - 1811.667 Molly Conger

Maybe he thought he's supposed to threaten them.

1811.647 - 1816.171 Unknown

Yeah, like harass them. They're threatened. These are threatening animals.

Chapter 4: What are the ethical concerns surrounding wildlife encounters?

4367.901 - 4371.589 Unknown

Like, I don't want to see a bear in a cage. It's undignified for the bear.

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4371.649 - 4373.352 Molly Conger

It's so sad for them in there.

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4373.413 - 4395.196 Unknown

Yeah, like, it's demeaning to me to see something demeaned for my entertainment in that fashion. Like, we can't comprehend animals outside of their habitat, I think. Like... Seeing a grizzly bear in Alaska trying to eat salmon or seeing a black bear in California doing its thing, having some berries like that's cool. And I want you all to have that.

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4395.236 - 4410.901 Unknown

I want your children and grandchildren to have that. And so, like, I think we should be very skeptical about people making safety based arguments about. for destroying our megafauna here. You'll hear it with wolves, right?

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Chapter 5: How do safety arguments impact wildlife conservation?

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You're hearing people doing it with cougars, which is absolutely ridiculous. Most of these animals will not bother you if you leave them alone. Yeah, and like if very occasionally people have been killed by cougars who are not bothering the cougar, right?

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4423.308 - 4428.693 Molly Conger

Very occasionally. You know, a freak accident doesn't justify destruction of an ecosystem.

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4429.334 - 4441.787 Unknown

People get killed by lightning, but we're not just killing clouds. People get killed by cars. We don't get bombing the Ford factory. I understand the desire to be safe, but like we will take away a lot of things that are really beautiful if we just want to be safe.

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4441.767 - 4454.319 Molly Conger

But again, we're controlling the wrong variables. If you're worried about people dying in unfair and terrible accidents, there are things we could talk about. There are policy decisions that could be made that would save thousands and thousands of lives.

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4454.6 - 4458.831 Unknown

Yeah, if you want people to be safe, then be concerned about free health care.

4458.98 - 4465.452 Molly Conger

Bears have killed 66 people. I bet that many people died today from not being able to get their insulin.

4465.772 - 4466.534 Unknown

Yeah, yeah, right.

Chapter 6: What role does community engagement play in union organizing?

4466.594 - 4482.422 Unknown

Yeah, there's a perfect example, right? Like, if you want to keep people safe, then think about things that will keep them safe. And I think we can very easily keep people, bears safe. But the threat to the bears is us. That's it. The only other thing that kills bears really is other bears.

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4482.402 - 4508.511 Unknown

and so it's on us therefore to advocate right like uh the bears can't advocate for themselves luckily they had people who brought that court case in 2019 but like if we want to continue to enjoy the outdoors in the way that they are we need to stop randomly removing shit and uh bears are one of those things especially brown bears that it's very easy to whip up fear about but uh i think we should just leave them alone

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I think we should be worried also of sort of anthropomorphizing them. Like I see this sometimes with people and animals. Like they don't exist for entertainment. They don't see the world in the way we do. And that's okay. They're animals. They have their own logic. We coexist with them. But like... It's not like a Disney animal.

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4526.472 - 4545.703 Unknown

It's an animal which goes about the world using its own logic, using its own understanding, trying to pursue its own ends for its own means. Nonetheless, it is a majestic thing to see on the landscape and something that we should take care that we don't let corporate interests and people who find it entertaining destroy.

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4546.223 - 4547.185 Molly Conger

I would love to see a bear.

4547.646 - 4549.751 Unknown

Okay, we'll do that. We'll add that to our list, okay?

4549.851 - 4551.134 Molly Conger

Yeah, take me to see a bear.

4551.214 - 4559.672 Unknown

Yeah, I am going to take Molly camping. Maybe we'll go to Yellowstone area. I've never been. Have you not been to Yellowstone?

4560.073 - 4561.195 Molly Conger

I've never been out west.

Chapter 7: What are the current economic conditions for ordinary Iranians?

11449.388 - 11461.969 Unknown

I mean, at this point... I think anyone who can address serious economic as well as these moral issues like imperialism and the U.S. military is going to serve a better a better chance.

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11462.49 - 11463.051 SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

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11463.071 - 11466.476 Unknown

Because that is the situation we have we have found ourselves in.

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11466.857 - 11471.845 Mia Wong

Yeah. The Democratic National Committee. It's a bummer.

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11482.793 - 11500.593 Unknown

Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, Nick? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Yeah, a pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special.

11500.973 - 11521.06 Unknown

So how did we actually come up with the name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it, and... Well, we were thinking of originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

11521.441 - 11540.871 Unknown

We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

11542.334 - 11552.711 Cheryl Strayed

Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. Getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is. Getting a new one put up in its place.

11553.532 - 11569.112 Unknown

As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War. To get to school, I had to go down Robert E. Lee Boulevard. To get to the grocery store, I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job.

Chapter 8: How is the Iranian regime using the current war situation?

11669.488 - 11676.859 Unknown

I'm Dani Shapiro, and these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring on the 14th season of Family Secrets.

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11677.64 - 11690.798 Molly Conger

Just then, we felt the plane turn in the air, so much so that the bags that were under people's seats just kind of flew into the aisle. Each week, we dive headfirst into the complex power of secrecy.

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11691.115 - 11697.49 Cheryl Strayed

how it shapes our identities and relationships, and how it ultimately can reveal to us our truest selves.

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11697.992 - 11707.234 Mia Wong

My daughter, she's pretending she doesn't know, but is trying to cook and feed me and keep me alive because I wasn't eating anything. And me pretending like everything was fine.

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11707.501 - 11721.139 Cheryl Strayed

He kind of shoved me out of the way and said, move. And he went out the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off. And that was the last time I saw him. Listen to season 14 of Family Secrets on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

11725.102 - 11743.182 Unknown

Hello, everyone, and welcome to It Could Happen Here. My name is Dan Al-Kurd. I'm a researcher and analyst of Arab and Palestinian politics. And today I'm joined by Dr. Nagar Razavi. She is a political anthropologist at the, I'm going to get this right, Musawwar Rahmani Center for Iran and Persian Gulf Studies at Princeton University.

11743.622 - 11759.986 Mia Wong

And her work is on the role of think tanks in shaping U.S. security policies towards the Middle East and Iran specifically. And she's also a researcher and analyst of Arab and Palestinian politics. And I've recently had the pleasure of being at a symposium with Dr. Rosavi, and I thought she would be a really welcome viewpoint for our audience.

11760.206 - 11780.779 Unknown

Thank you for joining us. Thanks so much for having me. So I think in regards to the war on Iran... There's been such a focus on the Strait of Hormuz and the economic impact of that, that conditions on the ground have really slipped from our radars. Like I don't see it as often. And I think I'm a very well-plugged in person. So can we start there?

11780.859 - 11785.146 Unknown

Can you tell us more about the situation and what it's like for like the average Iranian right now?

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