Michael Barbaro

And from what you're saying, suddenly, as of a few weeks ago, all of that work

is confronted with an outside group of federal law enforcement officials arriving in your city, doing police work, but who don't answer to you and are not as inevitably invested in the reform efforts that you have put in place.

They have a totally different mandate.

And it sounds like you're saying all of a sudden that is just immediately overshadowing, challenging, complicating this entire project that you have overtaken as police chief.

It feels like as the weeks went on here,

that residents are taking it upon themselves to monitor ICE agents and their activity.

Minneapolis, this is not a secret, pretty liberal city.

And there are...

Residents who organize themselves in this period into groups, they're shadowing ICE agents, they're texting each other, they're blowing whistles.

And it's amounting to a pretty meaningful effort to counter their enforcement operations.

I don't know if you quibble with that word.

Does that become its own problem?

And did you find yourself wishing that the residents were not doing that?

Did you try to discourage it?

What you're describing clearly sounds like a pretty combustible combination.

You've got ICE agents who are operating with their own systems and set of rules, and then you have these residents, in your words, operating their First Amendment right, to surround them, to monitor them, to scream at them.

And this is adding up to, clearly, a very delicate situation.

And there's a moment that I want to ask you about because it felt—

oddly prescient, where within the last week or so, you stand up at a news conference and you say, basically, I am worried.

I do have an ask that's both for federal law enforcement.